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<ZorbaTHut> you get about 5 more bytes every second. :)
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, that, I do know.
<ZorbaTHut> but I won't tell you. :)
<kawfee> Can you tell?
<kawfee> oh
<_nv> I loved hotmail. At one point I just bashed my keyboard to make up a hotmail account name. I had spam within the day.
<kawfee> why not?
<MachinShi> kawfee: as much as they can give you <= 2.5gb ;)
<ricebowl> Microsoft would get screwed by Google mostly because Microsoft is fat and Google is not
<kawfee> I'll give you a lollipop
<ricebowl> but Google will eventually get fat too
<ZorbaTHut> closely guarded secret. we don't talk about how large our server farm is.
<[proxy]> kawfee: i've asked him before and got the answer "everyone will get enough" :)
<kawfee> Lollypop?
<ZorbaTHut> I will tell you that many, many years ago we announced we had 10,000 computers. That's public knowledge.
<_nv> ricebowl, that's then, this is now
<pepp^> check out www.live.com its exactly like google/ig
<pepp^> except it might just be better than google/ig
<[proxy]> ZorbaTHut: interesting, why is the capacity such a secret?
<ZorbaTHut> I've seen estimates anywhere between 1,000 and 200,000. I won't tell you what the actual number is.
<pepp^> However google maps and google search rock good
<MachinShi> 1000gb?
<ZorbaTHut> proxy, if we announce it and it's much lower than people expect, it tells them that CPU isn't necessary but good algorithms are
<_nv> 132,442 as of 0800 GMT yesterday.
<ZorbaTHut> mach, computer count
<[proxy]> i would think structure would be more important that capacity as far as "useful information"
<pepp^> ZorbaTHut: I would put google's capacity around 80k.
<ZorbaTHut> proxy, if we announce it and it's much higher than people expect, it tells them that in order to compete they'll need a computer farm of that size and need to utilize it properly.
<roods> ZorbaTHut: any chance you could help me out with my signature question
<ZorbaTHut> basically, it gives them a good number to shoot for, and at least some idea of how we do what we do. and right now, nobody knows that.
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: It's just that for every new user you need one more G of space. But a good mathematical calculation could be made to guestimate how much space would actually be needed. And if you ever approched the limit you could always through another hd into the mix to bring it up. So its not like you relly need 2.5g for every person
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, now, google doens't have their own dedicated data centers, right?
<ZorbaTHut> roods, busyish :P
<ZorbaTHut> nv, that is also something we don't talk about. :)
<[proxy]> ZorbaTHut: good point, but i've seen photos on what google started with and any CS major would agree that algorithms are far more important than processing power
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: TELL US!
<kawfee> don't bogart
<roods> ZorbaTHut: same chances of a random polynomial having rational roots huh
<[proxy]> but still you have a goo dpoint
<ZorbaTHut> seriously - I'll tell you we have a lot of computers, because everyone knows that. And everyone knows we use commodity hardware. Won't tell you any more though.
<MachinShi> night all
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, hmm. Well someone could discover that using tracert and a lot of time. Also people can get into datacenters and count servers. It could be discovered, with enough work.
<roods> night MachinShi
<kawfee> [proxy]: algorithms can take a dinky little machine and make a monster out of them
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, I seriously doubt most people use anywhere near the capacity.
<[proxy]> kawfee: indeed
<kawfee> just take an N^3 algorithm and make it log(n)
<ZorbaTHut> but that, I don't know.
<kawfee> or even better, make P=NP
<ricebowl> if it's any consolation, I'm using 0 bytes of my 2.66 GB on gmail
<kawfee> P=NP!
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, also, people could probably cozy up with some hardware mfg's and get some good stats on google's hardware purchases.
<ZorbaTHut> I'm using something like 100k of my 2.66gb ;)
<[proxy]> i am using about 100 meg
<ZorbaTHut> nv, go ahead and try. :)
<[proxy]> but i dont delete anything
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: is gmail still beta?
<ZorbaTHut> first step: finding a hardware manufacturer that's willing to be blacklisted by Google.
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, that's something a corp could do, it'd be tough for me.
<Zeromus-X> Hey... can anyone help me clarify something (to the best of their ability) concerning a project I'm working on?
<kawfee> or can anyone sign up?
<pepp^> i am using about 20megs. I like yahoo more than gmail.
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, yeah it's still beta
<kawfee> wow
<_nv> Zeromus-X, yes, it's going to be cancelled and you're going to be fired. Sorry.
<kawfee> but everyone has it
<ZorbaTHut> but anyone can sign up if you can get a referral or if you have a cellphone
<xdank-> it's in perm beta
<xdank-> ;p
<ZorbaTHut> I can send you an invite if you need one :P
<kawfee> cellphone?
<kawfee> I have like 50 invites
<_nv> same
<ZorbaTHut> yeah, they'll SMS you an invite
<kawfee> at least the last time I checked
<ZorbaTHut> it's another accountability thing
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: how many invites do you get?
<Zeromus-X> _nv: School project unfortunately. :) I don't have a code question, just a "what do you think this question is asking, since I think my interpretation is unreasonable as it involves a matrix of [100000][4]" question.
<kawfee> to give that is
<[proxy]> i got 99 invites iirc
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, me personally? an infinite number, I could go sign up for another hundred whenever I run out
<_nv> I think that the question is ... MIA
<ZorbaTHut> but in reality I think everyone permanently has 50 now
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: I figured.
<ZorbaTHut> I've used maybe 15 of mine total. :P
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: that's actually a nice way to do it.
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, do they replenish? Maybe I should invite someone to find out.
<pepp^> yah everytime i send out an invite, the number goes to 49, then again i get it back at 50.
<ZorbaTHut> zeomus, [100000][4] isn't that much
<ZorbaTHut> nv, yep
<ZorbaTHut> daily, I think
<kawfee> A nice graph can be constructed to watch it grow
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, yeah. spam prevention at least partially, I bet.
<Zeromus-X> ZorbaTHut: program crashes initializing int myVar[100000][4], so I figure it's just overflowing the hell out of it.
<ZorbaTHut> zero, mmm. you wouldn't want to put that on the stack.
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, as an employee of the G, you're not really allowed to work on outside projects, right?
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: keeps an automated engine from signing up 100000000000000 people
<ZorbaTHut> you could fit it on the heap though.
<NoGods> If it's on the stack, that very well may be too big.
<ZorbaTHut> nv, oh, not at all. I have several personal projects in the work.
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, purely personal?
<ZorbaTHut> as long as they don't conflict with Google products, or require insider knowledge/skills, they just don't care
<_nv> Things that could make money and which you aren't handing over?
<_nv> ah
<ricebowl> _nv - I think that's mostly a Microsoft thing
<_nv> that's pretty nice
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: you are their insider knowledge =]
<ZorbaTHut> nv, I'm trying to start a game company, remember? I'm writing Devastation Net in my free time, which will be free
<Cowmoo> what's the maximum you can allocate from the heap?
<ricebowl> where signing the contract means you've sold your soul
<NoGods> Depends on your OS, Cowmoo.
<ZorbaTHut> but I'll also start putting together a commercial game eventually.
<[proxy]> Cowmoo: system dependent
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, actually, I never heard that
<Cowmoo> ok, so OS dependent
<Cowmoo> thanks
<Zeromus-X> Since I'm basically just reading in 400,000 entries from a file (all integers), would it be easier just to toss it into a linked list, or would I want to put it on the heap?
<ZorbaTHut> cowmoo, generally 2gb+ on 32-bit machines.
<ZorbaTHut> nv, well, I am :)
<kawfee> Zeromus-X: do you know the size at compile time?
<[proxy]> Cowmoo: most OSes limit user space apps to 2 or 3 gigs depending on config
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, genre?
<ZorbaTHut> http://skynet.pavlovian.net/d-net/d-net.gif (semi-old screenshot)
<Cowmoo> ah
<Cowmoo> k thanks
<[proxy]> but that includes the app itself and any libs it is linked to
<Zeromus-X> kawfee: no more than two meg worth of data total, but i know it's exactly 400,000 entries.
<ZorbaTHut> top-down tank game, old-style graphics. this one's going to be GPled
<ZorbaTHut> it's so I can say "look, see? proof that I can make games!"
<[proxy]> so it willbe smaller than that
<kawfee> Zeromus-X: make it a static structure then
<ZorbaTHut> http://skynet.pavlovian.net/d-net for downloads.
<[proxy]> and will likley involve a lot of swapping to disk (unless you have a lot of ram)
<_nv> DEAR GOD ZorbaTHut
<ZorbaTHut> grab the latest version if you want to try it out. :P
<kawfee> Zeromus-X: if you know the size of the data at compile time then you probably want to make it static.
<kawfee> pavlovian, that's nice
<_nv> Did you do all those shader fragments in HLSL or did you hard code that? Has Valve seen that game? They'll buy you out!!
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, yeah, I like it :D
<kawfee> like the dog
<kawfee> Woof!
<ZorbaTHut> I've also got incomprehensibility.net
<kawfee> nice too
<Zeromus-X> kawfee: I know the size is under two meg. It's variable between about 1.5 and 2.0
<ZorbaTHut> someday I plan to put a random garbage webpage generator on it
<kawfee> random garbage webpage generator?
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, actually, I know what you should do for your 20%
<ZorbaTHut> yeah. it'll just spew out gibberish, interlaced with hyperlinks that lead to other "pages" on the site
<_nv> You should find that old automated rant generator and improve on it!
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