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<ricebowl> int s = atoi(argv[1]);
<ricebowl> however, you should probably try to understand what a pointer is
<_m_> yikes, atoi again.
<_m_> atoi is definitely something you do NOT want to use for commandline stuff.
<Silex> boost::program_options
<binrapt> Silex: Way to go :)
<_m_> that'd probably be an overkill.
<binrapt> Hehe
<Cowmoo> why not _m_
<Cowmoo> ?
<_hhh_> you probably want std::stringstream
<_m_> Cowmoo: atoi doesn't check for errors.
<Cowmoo> oh right, ok
<ricebowl> _m_ - I doubt he's going to have to deal with errors in a school ***ignment
<ricebowl> also, clearly atoi is the simplest option, even if not the best
<_m_> That's a problem, actually. People learning programming only in school don't get any idea of what real code would look like.
<ricebowl> depends on your definition of "real code"
<ricebowl> since my code probably differs considerably from yours
<_m_> yes, if you use atoi.
<ricebowl> I'd more likely write my own atoi that can fail on invalid input
<Cowmoo> but aren't stringstreams slooooow
<_hhh_> to convert a **** from **** they are not slow
<_m_> If I would want to stick to C function then I'd use strtol.
<finland> greetings and salutations
<_hhh_> computers today are fast
<_m_> Cowmoo: does it matter if you're parsing a commandline?
<ricebowl> _m_ - so would I, except that strtoul is a total pain compared to atoi
<_m_> ricebowl: total pain?
<_hhh_> it would take +50~ instructions on stringstream , just a guess
<ricebowl> yes; you need a pointer and some other crap, IIRC
<ricebowl> which means extra variable and several additional lines to check for failure
<Cowmoo> I suppose
<_m_> HELP, A POINTER IS SCARING ME:
<rza> _m_: want to hold my hand?
<ricebowl> _m_ - considering that he doesn't know the difference between int and int*, you're more than welcome to explain it
<lck> wee, done
<_m_> done
<finland> n1
<Cowmoo> gg thx no re
<ricebowl> _hhh_ - btw, I think 50 instructions is a gross underestimate
<ricebowl> it probably takes 50 instructions just to call the ctor, not even to do anything useful
<_hhh_> possible
<ricebowl> _hhh_ - probable ;)
<ricebowl> cout << endl itself is like 20 instructions + function call which does even more
<binrapt> Huh? But ricebowl is the object, not the type :(
<_hhh_> anyway if this guy have a new age computer he will not feel the difference :)
<ricebowl> _hhh_ - not really true, it depends
<ricebowl> bloat adds up eventually
<binrapt> American * _m_ = &ricebowl;
<ricebowl> heh
<_hhh_> I think cout << endl is much more , it has to call manipulator which calls flush which can call tcflush()... blahblahblah
<ricebowl> ich bin amerikaner
<binrapt> Unluckily _ is not [A-Za-z], eh :(
<ricebowl> _hhh_ - yes, right
<binrapt> Yes, it's slower
<binrapt> So? Hah!
<ricebowl> it's too bad that you can't use the ' symbol in variable names in C/C++
<ricebowl> it's fun to do that in Haskell
<binrapt> Yeah, names should be allowed to contain whitespace, too!
<binrapt> And even =
<binrapt> And operator characters in general
<ricebowl> haha
<binrapt> Oh, wait, crap. The whole code would be a single name! Oh noes!
<_m_> Let's wait until we have a completely conforming preprocessor implementation before we add another level of complexity to it :)
<OlaRune> is the language conversation still on?
<OlaRune> i liked it
<binrapt> OlaRune: Sure, go ahead
<OlaRune> where were we
<ricebowl> not sure
<binrapt> Latin!
<ricebowl> yeah, Latin.
<ricebowl> a better question: ever invented your own language?
<binrapt> Oh, I was obsessed with that stuff when I was like 10-12
<ricebowl> heh ;)
<lck> how can i print a square?
<ricebowl> every now & again a random, meaningless phrase pops into my head
<ricebowl> the most recent was "echtoi"
<ricebowl> lck - depends on what a square is
<ricebowl> lck - are you referring to a pair of coordinates?
<binrapt> std::cout << "Square" << std::endl;
<lck> 4 x 4 of a #
<lck> ####
<OlaRune> no i've never invented my own language, started working when i was little, but I soon noticed how much work it was so i let it go
<ricebowl> ah, I see
<ricebowl> lck - you can use cout like binrapt said
<ricebowl> cout << "####" << endl; cout << "####" << endl; etc.
<lck> the plan was to use for loops
<ricebowl> you can do that too
<OlaRune> cout << "####\n# #\n####";
<lck> so i can change the num of #
<OlaRune> there
<OlaRune> ah ok
<OlaRune> but that is not too hard
<ricebowl> OlaRune - 'bout where I'm at, but I think it would be cool to have one
<ricebowl> just because I could start har***ing people without them having a clue as to what I was saying
<ricebowl> or pretend to speak no English
<ricebowl> or intentionally distort my English
<OlaRune> would be really cool
<binrapt> I think I was more interested in fonts/scripts than in languages
<OlaRune> but too hard
<ricebowl> scripts are fun, too
<ricebowl> I modified my Latin script because of the script that I was attempting to design :D
<binrapt> Sometimes I insult the teachers in Chinese when they do something wrong and the Chinese students laugh their *** off
<ricebowl> haha
<OlaRune> haha
<lck> do'h, im a moron:D forgot a cout << endl; in the outer for loop
<OlaRune> ^^
<ricebowl> when I was in 7th grade, a couple of guys had a translator for one of the other Germanic languages; I don't recall now whether it was Swedish or German, want to say the former but the latter would seem more common
<ricebowl> we had a substitute teacher, and they were saying something or other lewd in that language
<ricebowl> and so he replied back in the same language, "Don't be rude"
<OlaRune> haha
<ricebowl> and they were a bit freaked out :p
<OlaRune> we had 2 persian girls in our previous chemistry cl***
<OlaRune> and they were always talking persian and giggling
<ricebowl> yay Farsi
<OlaRune> everyone knew they were laughing about other persons
<OlaRune> but noone could do anything
<OlaRune> then one day the teacher saw them pointing at him, saying something
<OlaRune> and then laughing
<finland> then he called them foreigners and threw them out the cl***room?
<finland> hilarious story
<OlaRune> so he said the exact words they'd been using, loud infront of the whole cl***
<OlaRune> then they got quit
<ricebowl> yay suomea
<OlaRune> they thought he knew persian
<ricebowl> en puhu suomea
<ricebowl> lol
<binrapt> Suomea on vitun saatanan perkele
<OlaRune> they got owned
<ricebowl> Farsi is nice
<binrapt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructed_languages
<binrapt> http://zompist.com/kit.html HAHA
<ricebowl> why's that funny? :p
<ricebowl> it's actually a decent primer
<OlaRune> i like lojban
<ricebowl> Lojban seemed reasonable
<ricebowl> not practical, though
<ricebowl> I like both elements; but ultimately practicality wins because I lack the time to persue things academically
<OlaRune> ^^
<binrapt> I want a perfect written language for IRC
<binrapt> For programming channels!
<ricebowl> haha
<ricebowl> I thought that was Haskell
<binrapt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineered_language#Logical_languages
<binrapt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban heh
<OlaRune> english?
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