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<Sine2UNI> sorry to ask such a noob question, but what does it mean when main memory is 4 byte addressable?
<Anf> In UML whats the difference between an aggregation and generalization, and how do show each relationship in c++?
<strtok> that totally sounds like a homework question
<strtok> :P
<Sine2UNI> haha
<strtok> Sine2UNI: you can address a location in 4 bytes?
<Sine2UNI> i have a 1M x 16bit main memory, which is built using 256K x 8-bit RAM. suppose main memory is 4-byte addressable
<strtok> oh ok
<Sreearm> could anyone provice pointers on some good open source project to start with
<Sine2UNI> strtok: too many now i have to find the number of address bits needed for the full memory
<strtok> Sreearm: a new search engine
<strtok> kill google for me
<markovich> baby
<Sine2UNI> -too many, duno where that came from
<Sine2UNI> but all the terms are confusing me
<Sine2UNI> bigtime
<markovich> 4 byte addresseable means you cannot address less than 4 bytes
<Sreearm> i need all your real help
<markovich> wait, is that right`
<markovich> oh yeah
<matja> yeah, 'word size'
<markovich> it means that the memory is too small to play half life
<markovich> all you got is 4 bytes to store your pointers in, meaning the size of your memory is limited
<markovich> Sreearm: Just come and work for me for free
<sriram> is tht true
<Sine2UNI> markovich: cause i managed to figure out how many address bits were needed for the whole ram chip, and the full memory
<markovich> Anf: Aggregation is when you hang out at the corner with your homies, and in generalisations is how you speak when the cops come around
<markovich> Sine2UNI: so?
<markovich> Sine2UNI: What are you trying to tell me?
<Anf> markovich, anyway u can relate that to c++? :)
<_amnesia_> markovich, you speak when the cops come around? i usually just run....
<Anf> markovich, i've read generalizations mean that it can get to protected, public of base cl***, and aggregations means it can only see public, but how is that done in C++?
<Sine2UNI> markovich: i#m trying to tell you that i dont understand what it means by 4 byte addressable :P
<markovich> inherit your cl*** using the appropriate modifiers
<markovich> cl*** XXX : public CPorn
<markovich> Sine2UNI: how big is 4 bytes?
<Anf> markovich, but Cporn will still be able to see XXX public and private?, so thats a generalizatoin
<markovich> Anf: A cl*** can see the protected and public members of a cl*** it inherits
<Anf> right
<markovich> it does not see the private members
<Anf> right
<markovich> it inherits from, I mean
<Anf> yeah
<markovich> cl*** C : public D
<markovich> C will see the public and protected thingys of D
<Anf> so C can see D's
<markovich> of course
<Anf> but how would u show an aggregation
<markovich> you want it to see everything?
<markovich> I think you can only do that with "Friend"
<markovich> someone correct me if I'm wrong
<Anf> If you want it to only see public
<markovich> hmm
<markovich> only public?
<Anf> yea
<Sine2UNI> markovich: 4 bytes = 32 bits?
<markovich> that's not possible
<Anf> oh
<markovich> Sine2UNI: Give me a decimal number
<markovich> is it like 10.000?
<markovich> Two raised to power...?
<Sine2UNI> oh
<Sine2UNI> well i know bits are power of 2 :P
<Sine2UNI> base
<Sine2UNI> i mean
<Anf> markovich, http://www.smartdraw.com/tutorials/software-uml/uml2.htm#whatcl*** the last paragraph of that page...
<strtok> Sine2UNI: are you CS or CE?
<strtok> i'm guessing CS
<strtok> :D
<Sine2UNI> cs? :P
<Anf> computer science
<Sine2UNI> ah
<Sine2UNI> cs indeed :P
<Anf> or computer engineering
<Sine2UNI> conversion course, to something i've never done before
<markovich> I'm applied CE
<strtok> what the heck is applied CE
<markovich> which is like the lowest C course evar!
<Sine2UNI> i'm prolly the biggest noob in here :P
<markovich> it't like CE, but everything is practical
<markovich> no theory at all
<markovich> like applied mathematics or something
<strtok> i'm CW
<Anf> how do you not learn theory
<strtok> a corporate *****
<markovich> well, we don't
<markovich> we just learn what we need to get the job done
<strtok> we write uncommented code for job security
<Anf> hah
<Anf> u dont care why it works?
<markovich> hehe
<berty> i don't
<Anf> yeah me either
<Anf> as long as it works
<markovich> that's the philosophy of my school
<markovich> anyways, abck to the question
<markovich> the answer is 2 raised to the power of the number of bits
<markovich> that will give you a decimal numer
<markovich> that is the maximum number of addresses that can be stored in that byte
<markovich> and it follows that it is the max size of your memory
<markovich> I want to do a phd in CS people
<markovich> anyone done that yet?
<berty> heh I'd be surprised if they offered that at your applied school
<Anf> no but i bet it sure would be interesting!
<markovich> of course they don't
<Anf> sorta like a PHD in paint drying
<markovich> I want to go to the U.S and do it at a university
<berty> it's all theory
<markovich> that's the problem of course
<berty> well
<matja> i want a BS in BS
<Anf> matja, bioscience?
<markovich> but a phd is also a freelance paper
<matja> bull****
<markovich> so I can write freely
<markovich> I do not need to deal with the uninteresting parts of the theory
<Anf> can anyone explain the last paragraph of this page, and how it can be done in c++, http://www.smartdraw.com/tutorials/software-uml/uml2.htm#whatcl***
<Nick_E> inheritance ?
<Anf> how do you do the aggregatoin though
<Anf> and only show public
<markovich> Anf: What do you want to do?
<markovich> actually write C code demonstrating this?
<Anf> learn how to implement a design in c++
<Anf> yep
<markovich> Dude, one is a variable declared in the cl***
<markovich> and the other is inheritance
<markovich> let me explain
<markovich> tire is an aggregate of car
<Anf> but aggregation is a link between 2 cl***es
<Anf> right... so u have a car and a tire cl***
<markovich> car is a generalisation of honda
<markovich> one is a PART OF
<markovich> the other is a TYPE OF
<markovich> that is not difficult to understand, right?
<Anf> i get that
<Anf> but are they both implemented the same in c++?
<markovich> so if it is a type of, you inherit from that type
<markovich> if it is a part of, you make it a variable inside the cl***
<markovich> obviously...
<markovich> you can inherit if you want, but I would personally see that as bad design
<Anf> actually itihnk i get it, in a generalization, Honda would be abstract cl***, and in aggregate, they'd both be concrete
<markovich> in any case, UML is not made for C++
<markovich> Honda would not be an abstract cl***
<markovich> Car would be an abstract cl***
<markovich> and Honde would inherit from Car
<markovich> but why make it abstract at all?
<job> perhaps a GetMake() virtual method ;P
<markovich> "Car" is not just a description, there are some things all cars have in common you might add to that cl***
<MachinShi> i think we should start advertising on wired too. i mean it worked for #winprog right? ;)
<markovich> yeah, and let's put popup ads and make money!
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