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<KimmoA> And most you have to be INVITED to...
<KimmoA> Idiotic.
<kawfee> KimmoA: they want to keep their channels?
<kawfee> they already have enough users?
<KimmoA> Why have locked channels on a public network?
<upb> why not?:P
<NKD> they probably have no users
<NKD> its just some gimps with their little botnets
<NKD> camping the channel
<MachinShi> job: that saves you nothing these days. hasn't since win 3.1 afaik :)
<kawfee> KimmoA: public network, private channels
<job> well, windowsx.h still has lots of useful stuff MachinShi
<MachinShi> job: oh?
<einride> MachinShi: there's a difference with NO_WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN defined
<MachinShi> einride: oh? what's that do?
<NKD> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051102/ap_on_hi_te/movie_downloads
<job> yeah, lots of macros and stuff for simplifying handling of certain messages
<einride> i've noticed it related to shellapi stuff e.g.
<NKD> Another elderly person sued because their 11 year old grandkid pirated movies
<NKD> go go heartless movie industry
<job> like, some translate a mouse message to a function call with proper parameters
<job> stuff like that
<kawfee> NKD: what's happening?
<MachinShi> job: oh
<einride> MachinShi: also, with my (somewhat old) headers i need that define to get the latest systray structs
<NKD> Some 12 year old downloade four movies onto his 67 year old grandfathers computer
<NKD> MPAA is suing him for $600,000
<NKD> The grandpa didnt eve have the $4000 they wanted to settle initially
<NKD> What a waste of time, trying to milk some old guy probably on social security for over half a mill
<berty> don't download movies
<NKD> Total abuse of the justice system
<NKD> Thats just it berty, REAL pirates like me will never be caught, since we only leech
<NKD> only the innocent and stupid are getting sued
<kawfee> NKD: they have to pay for illegal activities somehow
<NKD> If the guy _had_ 600,000 , I could at least see the logic in suing him
<nm_> kawfee: they do, with the licensing fee on cd-r's and the like
<nm_> the industry has already been compensated
<NKD> and if he did it himself
<nm_> there is no logic in what they are doing
<nm_> they are a dying industry
<nm_> think about it
<NKD> the internet is destroying them
<nm_> trying to sell something, a high volume item
<NKD> so they want to fight back by suing internet users
<nm_> at a high cost, much higher than the cost of production
<einride> it makes perfect sense. they're fighting to stop a tide
<nm_> is never a good business model
<NKD> but they ar etargetting the wrong people einride
<NKD> Even if they sued 1,000,000 people a year
<nm_> NKD: it doesn't really matter who they target, their objective is fear
<NKD> thats not even close ot the number of people who download movies or music
<nm_> as long as people know about it
<nm_> that is the important thing
<KimmoA> ****ers. At least they managed to make me swear to never ever pay for any software again.
<NKD> I suppose it _Can_ intimidate the stupid or uninformed
<NKD> but mostly people dont take it seriously.
<kawfee> _nv: licensing fee on cdr?
<nm_> all it means is the industry will eventually return to where you arn't rewarded for having acting talent with millions of dollers
<einride> NKD: they want to scare people off. it's logical. it won't work, but it's still the logical thing for them to do if they wish to keep their existing business model
<nm_> *dollars
<nm_> or singing talent
<nm_> or anything IP of that nature
<NKD> neither movie or record industry has seen any results from their sue-fest yet
<nm_> and why should you be? in other eras actors/performers performed because they wanted to be heard
<NKD> they are still having problems selling
<nm_> and accepted that they would be lucky to make a living
<nm_> we don't need an 'elite' actor/performer cl*** in society
<NKD> actors used to be some of the poorest
<NKD> even the best ones
<nm_> yes, and that is perfectly acceptable
<NKD> same with athletes
<NKD> they didnt make a million bucks for playing games
<nm_> i perform myself
<nm_> i don't have visions of millions of dollars everytime i'm on stage playing guitar/singing
<nm_> i enjoy what i'm doing
<nm_> seriously, the model is flawed
<nm_> and must be cast out
<KimmoA> If I had a reasonable budget and could make a movie, for example, I would never pick a known actor who wanted a fat sallary. I would take some unknown person with skills and put the money on a good story and/or special effects.
<NKD> If I decided to act, I'd work cheap so that I could get more jobs, and a wider base of experience, and fun roles
<NKD> Why do you think Canadian actors work so steady/
<NKD> They dont want a billion bucks a job
<nm_> KimmoA: known actors are chosen because they are known and people stick with what they know when spending theatre $$
<Vova> hey guys what does this error mean:?
<Vova> polycalcV0.4 error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "public: __thiscall Polynomial::Polynomial(cl*** Polynomial const &)" (??0Polynomial@@QAE@ABV0@@Z) referenced in function "public: cl*** Polynomial __thiscall Polynomial::operator+(cl*** Term const &)" (??HPolynomial@@QAE?AV0@ABVTerm@@@Z)
<nm_> not necessarily because they have the most talent
<kawfee> the althelic model is flawed
<KimmoA> nm_: I never ever care about names (not that I'm "the m***"). I try to extract information about what the movie could be like from the often badly summarizing trailers.
<nm_> not really
<NKD> Lets say they stopped paying athletes so much
<nm_> because watching the sports games via digital media is free
<NKD> They wouldnt lower ticket/merchandise prices
<job> Vova, it means you aren't linking with a certain .lib or .obj file
<nm_> NKD: the athletes are 'worth' that much, because they generate the revenue
<NKD> the money would go to the team owners and so on
<NKD> yes
<nm_> in some cases team owners have chosen to spend overboard
<nm_> because they are rich anyway
<nm_> and want to have a winning team
<nm_> but in those cases they arn't running the team as a profit-generating business
<NKD> like Steinbrenner and the Wankees
<kawfee> Once you have a winning team you get money
<nm_> KimmoA: unfortunately if what you're saying about yourself is true, it still doesn't match up with the m***es, and a winning movie profit strategy
<kawfee> The money from the fans has to go somewhere and it ends up going to the athletes
<nm_> honestly, most of the money is made at the box office
<nm_> as it should be
<NKD> But I think its unfortunate that someone can be paid more for having fun, than for contributing to the economy.
<NKD> Most of the money that sports brings in is very very local
<NKD> to their cities, or to their teams themselves
<Vova> job: thanks...
<nm_> NKD: not that i was playing in a professional sports league yesterday
<nm_> but at that level of competition in say, football, or hockey
<nm_> the game is so rough and 'cheap'
<nm_> that i don't think it would be as enjoyable as playing for fun
<nm_> after awhile
<KimmoA> nm_: So then I'd put the money the actor cost on advertising. They are bound to hear about the movie.
<nm_> KimmoA: and some do, did you watch 'serenity'?
<KimmoA> s/money/money of/
<KimmoA> Serenity? Don't think so...
<nm_> joss whedon did as you suggest everyone should do
<nm_> when promoting that movie
<MachinShi> not like it matters w/ Serenity. it didn't make enuf (afaik) to justify a sequel.
<nm_> machinshi: i'm just using it as an example
<NKD> How so? I never saw a Serenity preview except on the sci-fi chan
<nm_> nkd: then you weren't watching other channels
<nm_> there were previews on normal stations
<nm_> i hardly watch any television and saw more than two
<Vova> job: I have a such a simple setup ..3 cl***es..
<Vova> i dont understand why it would give me this error
<NKD> Huh.. musta just missed me or something
<NKD> Serenity was a good movie imho
<nm_> it was a great movie
<NKD> i never saw the tv series
<NKD> but the movie was good
<nm_> moreso if you watched the series
<job> Vova
<nm_> anyway, afk
<job> you will have a few .obj / .o filess
<NKD> Its a shame the Babylon 5 feature film project got canned
<job> you need to include them all in your compile command
<MachinShi> it was a pretty good moive. i'd give it a B+
<MachinShi> still didn't make enuf in theaters
<Vova> hm...ohh man
<NKD> sci-fi is a hard sell to begin with
<NKD> even the last couple Star Trek films didnt do as well as they could have, and they have a well known name
<MachinShi> yah. but then star trek ****s *** :)
<NKD> There probably wouldnt be any modern sci-fi without Star Trek
<MachinShi> maybe on tv. not books
<KimmoA> I'm a total geek, and I can't stand Star Trek NOR Star Wars...
<MachinShi> KimmoA: i hear that!
<NKD> but like 5 people read books anymore, sadly
<KimmoA> They make me wanna sleep...
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