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<Genia4> wow!
<Genia4> that is cool
<Genia4> is it fast?
<Soronel> and just uses normal window management for its clients, rather than a regular X style wm
<kms375> hello
<Daveman> rofl
<Genia4> Soronel: wanna show me a screenshot?
<Soronel> Genia: well, when I'm building stuff on my gentoo sandbox, it's faster to use a cygwin xterm running ssh to the gentoo box and compile there
<Soronel> rather than use the vmware console directly
<Genia4> so you have both cygwin, and gentoo in vmware?
<Two9A> So I need "bool operator<(ST1 foo, ST2 bar);" defined?
<Soronel> vmware isn't on my laptop though
<Two9A> Er, ST1 bar rather.
<jamesd-> Two9A: better to p*** by const reference, probably, but yes, something like that.
<Soronel> and because of some network problems I'm not able to access the gentoo vm from my laptop
<kawfee> GOsh, #winprog got slashdotted and not there are 500+ people in there.
<Soronel> vmware's bridged networking broke down awhile back and I haven't managed to fix it yet
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: hi
<berty> 380 this morning when it was /.
<kawfee> berty: 517 now
<kawfee> Yesterday it was 240
<berty> cool, 137 trolls
<berty> 267 trolls
<ZorbaTHut> yo
<ZorbaTHut> stupid x-chat
<Soronel> hmmmm, my laptop doesn't seem to have a print screen key
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: You don't IRC through oogle?
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, nah. seems like begging for someone to hack me.
<ZorbaTHut> I VPN in to my home computer from Google.
<Soronel> Genia: really though, they are just X clients with normal win32 borders and such
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: I suppose.
<kawfee> Why VPN?
<Genia4> hmm, ok
<ZorbaTHut> er, not VPN. RDP
<kawfee> what about pure ssh?
<Genia4> so maybe I should go back to windows
<ZorbaTHut> stupid three-letter acronyms
<kawfee> RDP?
<ZorbaTHut> I want to be able to use GUIs, and RDP works fine :P
<ZorbaTHut> Remote Desktop
<ZorbaTHut> it's like VNC only good
<kawfee> oh, ssh -X
<Daveman> lame :P
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: linux or windows?
<Soronel> Zorba: and suggestions on making remote desktop work faster?
<ZorbaTHut> yeah, that's gonna work great connecting to a Windows box :P
<ZorbaTHut> soronel, stop uploading as much? ;)
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: I use linux as my server =]
<Daveman> haha
<Two9A> Strange. The header can't find an operator< if I put that line in the file.
<ZorbaTHut> seriously, I haven't had much trouble - when I'm using IRC it's fine
<ZorbaTHut> I did set up load balancing on my firewall and gave RDP high priority.
<Genia4> Soronel: what about colinux, ever tried it?
<Soronel> Zorba: I'm on the same subnet, and it is very slow, when I switch between vs.net and bochs for example, I can watch it update block by block
<kawfee> that sounds like a colon inux
<roopjm> VNC is pretty damn useful i use it all the time
<Soronel> in maybe 64x64 pixel blocks
<berty> rdp takes up a pretty small amount of bandwidth, depending on depth
<Soronel> Genia: no, I haven't
<upb> ms rdp is way faster than vnc
<berty> 256 colorad is like 5k per second for me
<berty> for a 800x600 window
<ZorbaTHut> soronel, I bet bochs just outputs a generic bitmap, and rdp's slow with that.
<Soronel> okay, I'm using 1280x800 @ 16bpp
<berty> shouldn't be much worse, but that'll be more bandwidth than my settings
<Soronel> well, I'm trying to program over it, 800x600 just isn't enough screen space
<jamesd-> Two9A: "put that line in" *which* file?
<Soronel> hell, even 1280x800 is cramped
<berty> heh I only use rdp for irc
<Soronel> I
<Soronel> and the laptop reaslly isn't beefy enough for running bochs
<Soronel> maybe after I upgrade the memory it will be
<TrickyPhi> How can I re-order elements in an array? I'm trying to sort an array of structures based on an int within the structures.
<Harbinger> wow this is popular
<jamesd-> TrickyPhi: std::sort can do that, you just cook up a function or functor to compare two of your objects however you wish.
<MachinShi> std::sort( array.begin() , array.end() , ComparatorFunction ) ; // :P
<TrickyPhi> Ah, all right. Thank you. I'm going to read more about it right now. :)
<Soronel> Harbinger; we're popular because if you ask a smart question you'll likely get a smart answer
<Genia4> Soronel: what about upgrading cygwin, is it hard?
<MachinShi> s/smart/smart ***/;
<jamesd-> Ask enough smart *** questions, and you might just get ops.
<MachinShi> hah
<espen`> any good code identers for the linux command-line? (my project is programmed using different editors, some which used spaces for tabs.. need to get some order into the files)
<espen`> indenters
<MachinShi> c-indent iirc?
<MachinShi> or is it just called indent? i can't recall
<MachinShi> and btw. can't most editors be configured to be consistent on that issue?
<jamesd-> indent, though it doesn't handle C++ too well.
<_m_> decent editors support re-indentation.
<jamesd-> Any decent editor has customizable indentation.
<MachinShi> http://www.gnu.org/software/indent/indent.html
<_m_> Yup. And the best editors let you turn autoindentation off.
<espen`> yeah, I know that eclipse does so.. but I haven't found a good re-indenter in dev-c++
<espen`> but indent seems to be a command on my slackware-box
<espen`> so i'll use that
<kawfee> EMACS!
<_m_> VIM
<kawfee> EMACS!
<_m_> note, vim doesn't need any additional exclamation marks.
<kawfee> hah
<kawfee> emacs is doubled up
<jamesd-> alias edit='perl -pi -e'
<MachinShi> hah
<jamesd-> Real Programmers edit with "cat > /unix"
<espen`> trying emacs.. lol. games:)
<kawfee> real programmers use ED
<Genia4> real programmers write code by scratching hdd's with a needle
<Daveman> vim4lyfe
<kawfee> you mean a magnet?
<kawfee> they don't call them scratchtetic disks you know
<kawfee> they are magnetic
<Genia4> Soronel: when installing cywin, I should install cygwin/x, right?
<Genia4> nevermind
<Genia4> same thing
<kawfee> What are you using cygwin for?
<Genia4> nothing atm
<espen`> vmware player is the best if you want linux on your desktop. it's free, and after some hacks you can install whatever you want. (I've installed slackware)
<jamesd-> espen: what restrictions does the free version have?
<espen`> you can't create containers
<espen`> but there's no need
<espen`> you use a container, and repartition it etc.
<espen`> (a container you find on the net)
<Genia4> is it fast?
<Genia4> is it faster than cygwin?
<jamesd-> VMWare when I last used it seemed close to native speed.
<drenyx> I think it largely depended for me which OS you're emulating for
<espen`> http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000153064739/ <- shows how to install whatever you want. you might want to look at the comments below, you can use other tools to create containers etc.
<kawfee> just install linux on the hd and get rid of windows!
<drenyx> linux seemed good, windows was a little bit slow
<kawfee> There should be a GNW. Not windows!
<espen`> why restrict yourself? I have the both of best worlds on my desktop.
<kawfee> you have the both of best?
<kawfee> Are you english?
<kawfee> drenyx: same here.
<espen`> best of both worlds lol
<kawfee> espen`: heh
<espen`> 2 boxes drains twice the power
<kawfee> but provide twice the power
<espen`> my desktop is on 24/7, so I run a linux-server from it -- as well as use it for games etc.
<drenyx> both my computers run 24/7
<ZorbaTHut> I've got a gateway and a server that run 24/7, and a chat box. my games box doesn't.
<ZorbaTHut> the first three, however, are all low-power mini-ITX systems
<ZorbaTHut> together, I think they use less power than my games box does. :P
<Daveman> ZorbaTHut, enron hit you that hard... huh? :P
<drenyx> heh, my linux box runs 4 HDs....
<drenyx> nice striped scsi raid on 2 of them
<ZorbaTHut> dave, no, I just don't see any reason to leave my chat box on 24/7 and don't want lots of big loud systems on 24/7 :P
<ZorbaTHut> they also generate less heat, which is important in the summer.
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