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<pepp-> google must be proud to have you
<NKD> I wonder if these physics processor cards will end up being something we see more often
<MachinShi> ZorbaTHut: anything external?
<NKD> or if it will just flop due to lack of dev support
<ZorbaTHut> mach, pretty much never. :P
<ZorbaTHut> I made a change to the calculator a while back
<MachinShi> NKD: i've not been paying attention but how good are they? usually stuff doesn't backtrack
<ZorbaTHut> about one time in fifty, a particular kind of currency query, in French, would generate a minor grammar error.
<ZorbaTHut> now it's fixed.
<ZorbaTHut> *shrug*
<pepp-> ZorbaTHut: seriously, what is the usage of that calculator?
<MachinShi> ZorbaTHut: i want google calc to do calculus & symbolic manipulation damnit! you think if i bitched they'd get you do it? :)
<ZorbaTHut> mach, dude, it's not going to happen. nobody cares. :)
<ZorbaTHut> pepp, what do you mean?
<MachinShi> i wonder that myself. they actually allocate ppl to work on a for-fun calculator? :)
<MachinShi> or is it part of your 20%? :)
<NKD> Not available in retail yet Mach, but it sounds like the first one is going to be pretty spendy
<ZorbaTHut> mach, it's my 20%, and I'm the guy who spends the most time on it ;)
<pepp-> ZorbaTHut: as in how many people on avg daily use that calculator? in terms of % of people visiting google.com
<ZorbaTHut> pepp, if I knew, I couldn't tell you.
<MachinShi> NKD: it'll be like t&l in gfx cards then. it'll get better over time :)
<stevieo> The Project Guttenberg computer generated mp3 of The Fall of The House of Usher leaves something to be desired.
<MachinShi> better or worse than m.c. hawking? :)
<stevieo> Is that one good for a few laughs too?
<NKD> M.C. Hawking! LOL
<NKD> cl***ic songs
<MachinShi> yes.it is ;)
<pepp^> i wonder a lot fo time. Google has 5k people now. What are they doing? Are all of them working on the search thing? Absolutely not. Must be building an OS
<ZorbaTHut> pepp, a lot of people think that. *shrug*
<ZorbaTHut> but it should be obvious we have a lot of people doing things other than search
<MachinShi> what gain does having an os get google?
<ZorbaTHut> gmail, google maps, google talk, google print, google news
<NKD> http://www.google.com/intl/en/options/
<NKD> take your pick
<MachinShi> i wonder waht gaing supporting OO.o gets google though
<ZorbaTHut> google local, I'm sure I could think of more things.
<MachinShi> ZorbaTHut: i think they're being shipped out to build up moon.google :)
<Jey> they want to encourage a platform that isn't tied to MS
<Jey> it's in their interest in the long run
<ZorbaTHut> mach, same reason Jet Blue has a route from Boston to DC.
<Jey> why is that? :P
<pepp^> you can't fight capitalism living outside of it. you have to live inside capitalism to fight it. Same motto for google.
<ZorbaTHut> http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2005/10/14.html read the second half. :)
<kawfee> YO!
<MachinShi> Jey: but an os is a monumental task. even if they were gonna use linux or bsd as a base.. i'ts a lot of work & eternal maintainence, for arguably minimal gain
<ZorbaTHut> oh, boston to NY
<ZorbaTHut> close enough
<kawfee> Zorba Da Hut
<ZorbaTHut> yo kawfee
<kawfee> sup?
<Jey> interesting
<ZorbaTHut> not much
<kawfee> Jey!
<kawfee> woot
<Jey> MachinShi: they don't necessarily need their own OS
<kawfee> everyone is out tonight
<MachinShi> lol. "type this into google" hehe :)
<MachinShi> the other annoying thing about that dialog box is you can't copy it to the clipboard..
<kawfee> Did yall see the article about #winprog on wired?
<MachinShi> nope
<kawfee> wired.com
<MachinShi> url?
<kawfee> http://wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69394,00.html
<boxxers> what are some other good tech newthingies?
<kawfee> VS2005
<kawfee> is the newest for windows
<MachinShi> ZorbaTHut: hrmm.. good point.. if google can take a cut of the os market from ms, it makes it harder for ms to subsidize it's loss leading role in other markets more valuable to google.
<pepp^> is it still in beta or official release is out?
<MachinShi> i hadn't thought of that
<_nv> oh, here's another odd wired page: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=1110607&tw=wn_wire_story
<kawfee> it's on MSDN
<pepp^> MachinShi: OS is not gonna be easy to break in.
<_nv> MachinShi, c'mon, office is much easier to steal.
<kawfee> It's being released at the launch party too
<MachinShi> and consdering how much work's already been done on linux and/or bsd in openssource..
<kawfee> pepp^: Vista?
<ZorbaTHut> mach, I don't know for certain if that's the reason, or even a factor
<MachinShi> _nv: which is why they're hired ppl who work on openoffice. another ms cash cow :)
<ZorbaTHut> but that's why I'd do it. ;)
<MachinShi> ZorbaTHut: agreed..
<kawfee> MachinShi: who hired who?
<ZorbaTHut> that's why, if I ever go head-to-head with EA, I'll spin off a division to make sports games.
<MachinShi> google' hired ppl to work on openoffice
<pepp^> You cant beat office. Enterprises run on office.
<ZorbaTHut> pepp, so?
<kawfee> isn't openoffice opensource?
<ZorbaTHut> enterprises run on Unix also
<ZorbaTHut> or, rather, ran
<kawfee> MachinShi: google is paying people to code openoffice?
<MachinShi> huh. man. they dont' talk about #c++ in these terms :)
<_nv> If Microsoft had real competition they might have to learn how to run a ****ing company.
<ZorbaTHut> nv, think they'll ever learn? :P
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: is this true?
<stevieo> _nv, they proved that long ago
<_nv> ZorbaTHut, only if they have to.
<MachinShi> kawfee: i'll find you the article :)
<kawfee> MachinShi: you work for google?
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, yeah, it's been on slashdot
<pepp^> ZorbaTHut: office is on everyones pc. ITs not gonna be easy for people to make a switch to someother unsupprted software
<ZorbaTHut> pepp, true. that's why you support it.
<kawfee> What is google trying to do, give M$ competition?
<ZorbaTHut> and handle the same file formats.
<ZorbaTHut> and make it cheaper.
<kawfee> opensource competition, that'd be something
<kawfee> why on earth would google do this?
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2005/10/14.html read the second half. :)
<_nv> Honestly Office on web isn't so bad, considering that I use office about 30 times per year, most of which are for < 10 minutes.
<ZorbaTHut> don't know what the reason really is. but that's why I'd do it.
<MachinShi> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/31/1927212&tid=217&tid=185
<kawfee> which second half
<pepp^> ZorbaTHut: MS office is a cash cow for that MS. The competition in that area is gonna be rough.
<MachinShi> kawfee: of the article. the jetblue reference
<kawfee> nothing in there about office
<ZorbaTHut> pepp, only if you want to make money off it.
<pepp^> Only google can venture into that area cuz they have nothing to lose and a lot of money and mind to work on project like office.
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, read the parts about jet blue.
<MachinShi> that's the beauty of it for google
<MachinShi> they have nothign to lose, and everythign to gain :)
<MachinShi> even if they lose money if they can drain money from ms overall it's a win
<pepp^> MachinShi: Why do you think so?
<MachinShi> pepp^: ms does the same thing. consider their strategy with "search" :) they're doing the same thing in reverse
<pepp^> MachinShi: MS makes more money than google. MS has more money. MS has never had a single loss year for past 15 yrs. They know how ot make money. Whether they make ****ty products, they still make money.
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: I did.
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: where is openoffice?
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, read between the lines, dude. :P
<MachinShi> pepp^: even if google loses money, every customer residential or corporate who uses OO.o over ms office is that much more moeny that ms can't use to compete against google in industires where google makes money hand over fist
<kawfee> MachinShi: you realize how much money MS has?
<ZorbaTHut> jet blue is google. delta is ms. the lucrative boston/NY route is Office.
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: I understand missy.
<MachinShi> so? it's not all about money
<pepp^> MachinShi: They are doing search cuz thats a growth area. Is OS a growth area? Probably not so much giving windows legacy
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: Office is really that lucrative?
<kawfee> What does oogle have to gain from M$ office?
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, oh god yes
<MachinShi> pepp^: it's not a growth area for ms. but for google it doesn't need to be.. it only needs to compete w/ ms enuf to drain money from ms. it can be a losing market for google
<ZorbaTHut> office and Windows are MS's two big moneymakers
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: do you say that often
<pepp^> ZorbaTHut: MS is not delta. atleast not in financial terms.
<ZorbaTHut> virtually everything else loses money
<kawfee> yes, oh yes, ,more more more
<MachinShi> and they use that money form office & windows to subsidize all their other ventures pretty much
<MachinShi> but for hardware..
<kawfee> I agree that M$ shouldn't have a hold on the office market. It would nice if everything was opensource.
<ZorbaTHut> XBox's big news lately is that they were losing less money than they'd ever lost before.
<MachinShi> well.. actually. the xbox loses money too
<pepp^> ZorbaTHut: Except for MSN service. Everything makes money for MS.
<_nv> If Microsoft had competition in their core product areas they'd have to completely redo the divisions who develop them. There's no way that microsoft could compete. They couldn't survive without fat profits.
<ZorbaTHut> (of course, that's true for the Playstation too, amusingly)
<MachinShi> pepp^: bul ****ing ****
<_nv> Microsoft only HAS two real sources of income, most of the rest always loses money.
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