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<X-Istence> [proxy]: Ehm, so, that does not mean it can not be open source?
<Dafred> zzzzzzzzzzzzzooooooooooooooooooooorbaaa
<X-Istence> ZorbaTHut: even Sun has profanity in their source code :P
<ZorbaTHut> so it was taken over and someone else spent several months "improving" it - the codebase is now twice as large and has precisely one more feature
<ZorbaTHut> although at least the features work now, they were broken at one point
<ZorbaTHut> and they clearly don't find it interesting enough to actually get to deployed, and I'm just sick of the whole situation.
<ZorbaTHut> yo dafred
<ZorbaTHut> x-istence, I don't know why. I think because the makers didn't feel it worth open-sourcing, or perhaps they didn't see a point to it.
<[proxy]> X-Istence: eh, there is just not much that is gained by open sourcing a realtivly trivial program
<ZorbaTHut> personally I require a reason *not* to open-source things, but hey
<Dafred> theh zorba you know skjelkd was at the google TC challenge thing?
<X-Istence> [proxy]: Ehm, what is there against doing it? What if someone wants to take it, and run with it?
<ZorbaTHut> dafred, yeah, we probably hung out :P
<Dafred> yeah without knowit it apaprentl
<Dafred> y
<X-Istence> [proxy]: and add other things to it.
<ZorbaTHut> heh
<X-Istence> oh well. I just like the idea of being able to fiddle with programs :P
<ZorbaTHut> I know I'd seen his name before, I just ***umed I'd seen him at other TC events ;)
<PoeSh> how do you edit PHP website?
<einride> god i really am getting pissed at msvs now... "fatal error C1294: compiler limit: internal structure overflow"
<einride> 1204 even
<Dafred> yeah i showed him your okc photo.. and he went "oh yeah he was there!"
<ZorbaTHut> hah.
<ZorbaTHut> poesh, (1) huh? (2) #php
<PoeSh> hah ok
<Dafred> http://www.heavy.com/heavy.php?videoPath=/content/tourettes_cowboy/flash_video/gun090605.episode1
<Dafred> one of the profanities is "intelligent design"
<PoeSh> lol funny
<pyrrhic> oO
<pyrrhic> where does msvc output files when you build a project?
<kick***_6> anyone here familiar with UML?
<flithm> hey everyone... anyone here handy with autoconf? I'm trying to get a define in config.h that gives the specified --sysconfdir. Right now I get the following output: #define PACKAGE_SYSCONFDIR "${prefix}/etc" whereas obviously I want it fully expanded. Anyone know how to do this?
<Silex> php is meeessssyy
<Jey> php is a pile of feces
<flithm> hahaha
<flithm> every tool has its use
<flithm> phps set of uses is just limited :)
<kawfee> hihihihi
<Wizaka> I want you guy's opinion: I'm writing an internet daemon that should compile in both Windows and Linux. I see two options (many should exist): 1) Use cygwin and concentrate on POSIX correctness in the project, or 2) Write #ifdef code. =o)
<Jey> flithm: uses like, "i want to maim my competitor"
<Jey> "i'll give him php"
<Genia4> Jey: it's the best suited language for webdev
<Jey> false
<Jey> python
<flithm> haha
<Genia4> python isn't as good for web
<Jey> good bye
<Jey> yes, it is.
<Genia4> you have to use a template engine
<X-Istence> Damnit.
<Genia4> as in HAVE
<Jey> you're an idiot if you don't use one with php
<Genia4> which is kinda annoying
<Jey> and you can use "print" in Python too if you must
<flithm> language wars are stupid you guys.
<Genia4> don't get me wrong, I love python
<Genia4> I just think that php works out better for the web
<Genia4> the thing that annoying me most about python is the explicitness
<Genia4> p***ing self to each method is really gay
<Genia4> and we have int(), why do we have repr() then?
<Genia4> string() makes more sense
<Genia4> or str()
<Genia4> I find the handling of globals a bit annoying too, but it's the same as php, so it's not that bad
<Genia4> the interpeter is fun
<outhere> does anyone know of a function or has written a function that takes in a character array and finds all the substrings that are repeated in the char array
<Wizaka> strstr()?
<outhere> but i dont know what patter im looking for
<Genia4> for a string of length n, finding all paterns is like n!
<outhere> i just want to know what say 2 letter combinations appear more than once in a given string
<Genia4> very slow
<outhere> true
<Genia4> oh, that's easy
<Genia4> you start from beginning of string
<Genia4> and you do strstr of every two letters on the whole string
<Genia4> then every 3
<Genia4> then every 4
<Genia4> until n/2
<Genia4> (n/2)! :)
<outhere> ahh, ok
<Genia4> actually, no
<Genia4> wait, nevermind me
<outhere> hmm
<outhere> whats the problem
<orangesod> how would I position a pointer at the beginning of a linked list
<james-_> orangesod: often a linked list and its first element are the same thing. So you'd do pointer=list. Otherwise, it would more likely be pointer=list.first_node; or similar.
<orangesod> thanks James.. ill give it a shot
<orangesod> hey james.. my list is set up like this(by the prof) http://rafb.net/paste/results/MjtpWH58.html .. I would have to use your 2nd option right?
<Mister_X> gn all
<orangesod> http://rafb.net/paste/results/MjtpWH58.html -- how would I set a position pointer to the beginning
<orangesod> nvm got it
<Wizaka> Cracking time... see you guys latter.
<[BAF64]> anyone know anything about getting the windows media player SDK working with mingw?
<[BAF64]> c:/wmsdk/wmpsdk10/include/wmp.h:8646: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '(' token
<[BAF64]> c:/wmsdk/wmpsdk10/include/wmp.h:8646: error: expected `,' or `;' before '(' token
<[BAF64]> i get those 2 errors compiling a prog using it
<Redb3ard> guess im not welcome here with a C question... sorry for adding to the scroll
<jav> I understand the formatting characters of printf() enough to print a decimal number aligned to 'x' digits, but is there a format char that will make it print "000012" instead of " 12" ?
<Genia4> yes
<Genia4> you can change the fill character
<Genia4> I just don't remember how
<Genia4> sec
<Genia4> %05d
<Genia4> for example
<Genia4> will pad with 0's until it's 5 chars wide
<jav> I think printf( "%0.12d", i ); is what I wanted
<jav> (to pad to 12 digits)
<ZorbaTHut> I think %012d is what you want.
<Stefano32> hey, this question might seem stupid, but is there a certain way you have to declare vectors if im coding in win32 api? i #included <vector> but there not seeming to work
<khaladan> nothing specific to win32, but are you considering namespaces?
<Stefano32> ahh, one sec
<Stefano32> hahah thanks man, its been a long day
<khaladan> sure
<palomer> other than bitset
<Alipha> boost::array
<Alipha> or use a std::vector and don't resize it
<Alipha> or just use an array
<PoeSh> do you guys like Java?
<palomer> Alipha: but I want the size to be a template parameter
<palomer> extra type security
<khaladan> palomer see boost::array like Alipha said
<ZorbaTHut> poesh, I don't particularly
<PoeSh> ZorbaTHur: any reason?
<khaladan> java is c++ with less features! ;)
<ZorbaTHut> poesh, everything it does can be done better with other languages
<ZorbaTHut> everything that I care about, at least ;)
<PoeSh> can you give me a example
<PoeSh> I am decideing wether or not to learn Java
<ZorbaTHut> it's not nearly as memory-efficient as C++. it's not particularly suitable for use on embedded devices.
<ZorbaTHut> if you have a use for it, learn it. if you don't, don't.
<PoeSh> k
<dehoy> yea, youre not going to retain much if you have no use for it
<khaladan> the advantages in java, over c++, that i see are better handling of modules/import replacing include, nicer syntax for interfaces, and the ease of use gained w/ garbage collection
<ZorbaTHut> khaladan, I agree on all those points - and if I wanted those features, I'd use C#. :P
<khaladan> agreed :)
<Alipha> palomer: note that you can p*** arrays by reference: void f(int (&a)[10]); int main() { int a[5]; f(a); } // error
<Alipha> palomer: or even template on that: template<std::size_t N> void f(int (&a)[N]);
<khaladan> C# is nicer. it has simple implementation of properties and delegates as well.
<ZorbaTHut> pretty much the only things I'd choose Java over C# for, at the moment, is heavy serverside code (Java applets are just plain more mature, from what I've heard) and applet embedding.
<ZorbaTHut> hell, C#'s even a more open language, ironically.
<PoeSh> thanks for the info guys
<kawfee> C# is more open than what>?
<ZorbaTHut> kawfee, Java
<palomer> template <cl*** B>
<palomer> vector<indexedBoolFunc<B,48> > keySchedule(indexedBoolFunc<B,56> in){ <--thes gives me the error error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '<' token
<palomer> s/thes/this
<kawfee> ZorbaTHut: seriously?
<ZorbaTHut> seriously
<ZorbaTHut> C# has an ISO standard
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