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<moralcode> like the one i am using now
<Symmetry_> I just had the DVD around; seemed to work fine for a couple of days; now it won't compile anything, with some weird error
<sculptor> reinstall it
<Symmetry_> nah, I'll install 7.1
<Symmetry_> tried and trusted
<sculptor> i got DVD from M$ 1-2 mnths ago - never bothered to install it
<Symmetry_> yeah me too :)
<Symmetry_> (I got it from them too)
<moralcode> sssch they might hear you :)
<Symmetry_> :-S
<Genia4_> the weirdest article appeared today on ynet.co.il
<Dawone> why are you gotting DVD's from MS ?
<Dawone> are you working there?
<Genia4_> ms is investing $1.5M in israeli startup companies
<sculptor> no - you could order your free copy
<Symmetry_> Dawone, no, they send free DVDs with VS8 beta to anyone who asks (I was surprised too)
<Dawone> :o
<Genia4_> Symmetry_: do they ship offshore?
<Dawone> ask via email or?
<soysauce> haha "free", like MS ever does anything for free
<Dawone> btw, was VS 8 a bloat?
<sculptor> i got mine in 4-5 days - and i'm from europe
<soysauce> more like "Your first hit is free"
<Genia4_> wow, cool
<roopjm> they'll crash your box for free
<Genia4_> where do Iorder mine
<Symmetry_> Dawone, the install (and now uninstall) run forever; the VS itself is snappy (and looks good)
<Symmetry_> Genia4_, yah, mine came all the way to Romania, all on their expense
<Dawone> how can i ask one DVD to me?
<sculptor> http://www.microsoft.com/emea/msdn/betaexperience/ <-here
<Dawone> thanks
<sculptor> np
<Dawone> Symmetry_: sorry, i missed but why did you uninstall vs 8 immediately?
<Dawone> do you think i should not order DVD? :i
<Genia4_> they ship to Israel
<Genia4_> awesome
<Genia4_> I don't have a dvd drive
<Genia4_> but I still want free stuff from MS
<Genia4_> a relic to show to my grandchildren
<sculptor> you can always frame it and put it on a wall
<Genia4_> signed up
<soysauce> Genia4_ - re: investing in Israeli startups, isn't the mantra, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"?
<Genia4_> WTF
<Genia4_> they are charging me 413
<Genia4_> $13*
<Genia4_> Qty.
<MachinShi> hah
<soysauce> haha like I said: "first hit is free"
<MachinShi> that's if you want to get sent the dvd/cd
<MachinShi> if you just dl it, it's free
<sculptor> i got tons of free stuff
<Genia4_> MachinShi: Symmetry_ said they shipped it for free
<Genia4_> I want a free dvd!!!!!!
<Genia4_> not fair :(
<moralcode> most free things arent worth having :)
<Genia4_> cheaters, liars
<Genia4_> :(
<sculptor> i got 5 IA32 books directly from intel - for free
<Genia4_> yeah, they'll probably charge me too
<sculptor> tons of samples from maxim and TI
<Genia4_> although intel israel is like 30mins away
<MachinShi> they charge you for the cd, and for the shipping. they don't charge you for the content :)
<Genia4_> MachinShi: those $13 are gonna be invested in making more complex holograms for windows cd's
<Genia4_> as if someone is really gonna go through the whole trouble of reproducing the hollogram anyway
<soysauce> haha
<MachinShi> ha
<soysauce> isn't the Israeli part of Intel responsible for Pentium-M?
<Genia4_> no idea
<Genia4_> but I know they wanted to close it
<Genia4_> it moved couple of times too IIRC
<Genia4_> my friend cleaned there last summer
<Genia4_> got tons of free candy
<Genia4_> and full access to coffee machines
<Genia4_> and everything was clean anywya, so he was really bored
<moralcode> why cant i declare a for-loop like this: for(int i=0; i < len; i++) {} ?
<Genia4_> is len defined?
<moralcode> yes
<Genia4_> put a space between { } maybe
<moralcode> if i write it like this:
<moralcode> int i;
<soysauce> weird
<moralcode> for(i=0; i < len; i++) {} it works
<soysauce> Genia4_ - well IIRC they *were* responsible for Pentium-M which is the successor to the present generation of chips ;)
<soysauce> so maybe best for them that it didn't close
<Alipha> moralcode: are you coding in C and not C++?
<moralcode> Alipha, C
<Alipha> moralcode: if it's C89, you must declare variables at the beginning of a block
<moralcode> i cant do that in C?
<moralcode> oh i see
<Soronel> perhaps even two whiles
<moralcode> that might be it
<Alipha> moralcode: /join #c c
<Genia4_> while(while) soronel; :)
<moralcode> Alipha, im not coding in C on purpose...its the library im using...im going to use c++ in a minute
<Soronel> wow. my gentoo download is up to the CD* files
<Genia4_> ok, time to write teh codezorz
<Genia4_> gentoo download is 70mb
<Genia4_> best distro ever
<moralcode> didnt even realize i was writing C
<Genia4_> you don't actually need the cd if you have some other livecd
<Alipha> moralcode: look at the file extension ;-)
<Genia4_> and if you do stage1 and already have a livecd
<Soronel> Genia: I'm doing a complete download of /distfiles
<Genia4_> you only need to dl 10 mb for stage1
<Genia4_> Soronel: complete? why?
<Genia4_> they get updated so often
<Genia4_> and you aren't gonna use 99% of the apps there
<Genia4_> complete is a bit wasteful
<moralcode> Alipha, good point ;)
<Genia4_> on your bandwidth most of all
<Soronel> Genia: so that if I end up wanting some of these at home I won't have to spend days getting them
<Genia4_> oh, you have broadband now?
<Genia4_> whereever you are
<Genia4_> then yeah, smart move maybe
<Genia4_> although if you want an up to date system, you will still need to download a lot
<Genia4_> btw, if you wanna call someone (or your parents want to), what do you do?
<Genia4_> second phone line or cellphones?
<Soronel> i'm in the seattle area for a dr. appt., and the friends I'm staying with have broadband
<moralcode> changed the extension to .cpp now it works as i want it to
<Soronel> we
<Soronel> 've got two lines at home
<Soronel> the one I use to dial out doubles as our fax line
<Genia4_> an extra line is costy here
<Genia4_> $10
<Soronel> Genia: they need a fax line for business purposes anyway
<Genia4_> business? what kind of business?
<Soronel> wholesale stair parts
<sculptor> u can use BRI ISDN - if you need an extra line
<Genia4_> I wonder if I should reconfigure my kernel from scratch
<Genia4_> current one is too stripped down
<Genia4_> and not too stable
<Genia4_> Soronel: I've learned to knit a bit the other day at my aunt's
<sculptor> base rate interface integrated services digital network, or something
<Genia4_> need to get my own sticks and wool
<Genia4_> it's so cool
<Genia4_> p***es time, but makes me pissed off
<Soronel> sculpt: I doubt that would be at a reasonable cost at home
<Genia4_> as I **** at it very much
<Genia4_> big fingers, not very dextrous either
<Soronel> Genia: knitting is fun
<Genia4_> can you knit?
<Soronel> sure
<_m_> sculptor: ISDN in the US?
<kakun> i really hope you two are chicks, Genia and Soronel.
<Genia4_> we both are not
<sculptor> don't know about US's ISDN BRI standards
<Genia4_> my mom had a friend
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