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<`captresp> how do you know it's on page 95?
<Crede> well... the time is 10.36 pm here.. dont think any librarys are open right now..
<aut> http://andrewwooldridge.com/myapps/webtwopointoh.html
<Crede> the ***igntments says so...
<GnarlyBob> heh aut++
<GnarlyBob> Crede: take it elsewhere please. Homework is not welcome here in any fashion.
<Crede> GnarlyBob: Just wanted the check out if anyone had the book... sorry
<tomh> infact anything java related will get your *** banned here mostly :P
<Crede> okay.. i'm confused
<meeper> Crede: don't you have friends in the cl***? borrow the book
<meeper> Crede: or go to the teacher and tell him how your mom's a crack***** and your dad was one of the last people legally executed in the state of Tennessesse and it's not fair for her to ***ume that everybody can throw hundreds of dollars at textbooks without having to sell 300ml of cum
<meeper> after that she'
<meeper> she'll feel really guilty and loan you a copy for the cl***
<Crede> lol... was just planning to use the night coding... and got stuck because I need some info from the book... no need to flame me guys...
<GnarlyBob> everybody gets flamed here.
<Crede> so it seems...
<ufc> anyone have any suggestions for a decent templating engine (like Velocity) that isn't velocity? :/
<meeper> ufc: the webwork guys swear by freemarker but really they all ****
<ufc> freemarker, eh
<meeper> freemarker is better than velocity though. except for the rampant # and @ symbols, it's pretty logical
<ufc> I just need something to do simple substitution for email templates
<meeper> ufc: then it doesn't matter, use freemarker or velocity
<ufc> what I have built so far uses velocity, and it works great, but I have cl***loader hell that's keeping velocity in an ejb from coexisting with velocity in a war
<ufc> so I'm just gonna be ghetto and use a different engine
<meeper> ufc: what app server? that sounds like a problem with your app server. real appservers let you isolate cl***loaders between the ejb tier and the war level
<ufc> orion
<jjava> orion is disturbingly easy and fast to redeploy :/
<ufc> if orion's not a Real Enough Appserver, too bad, I'm not switching at this point
<meeper> ufc: ask fate perhaps, he knows orion inside out
<ufc> ok
<meeper> that doesn't sound right though. shouldn't jars in WEB-INF/ override any jars inherited from an ejb app?
<ufc> I would have thought so
<tastapod> evening
<ufc> it behaves very strangely...
<ufc> I have the velocity-dep.jar in WEB-INF/lib, and the war works fine, but the ejb doesn't
<ufc> if I put velocity-dep.jar in orion/lib, the ejb works fine but the war breaks
<ufc> I tried putting it in the ejb and setting cl***path in the manifenst, and I can't make the ejb work that way
<tastapod> ufc: the war cl***path includes the ejb jar - the ejb jar cl***path can't see the war's web-inf/lib
<ufc> even tried putting it in the ear with <library> in orion-application.xml
<ufc> tastapod: I'm aware of that
<tastapod> there's no standard way to add jars to the ear cl***path
<tastapod> you can put cl***path entries in orion-application.xml or in orion-ejb-jar.xml for the ejb-jar
<ufc> I didn't try orion-ejb-jar.xml
<meeper> tastapod: doesn't orion respect the Manifest cl***path for ejb-jars?
<ufc> I wasn't able to get that to work at all
<tastapod> I don't think so
<ufc> tastapod: do you know offhand what the tag is for cl***path entries in orion-ejb-jar.xml?
<tastapod> haven't used ejb jars for a while so I've lost touch
<ufc> I'm not seeing a <library>
<tastapod> saying that, I would challenge why you're using ejbs in the first place...
<tastapod> http://orionserver.com/docs/orion-application.xml.html
<ufc> I have perfectly valid reasons to be using ejbs, and orion-application != orion-ejb-jar
<fate> ufc: velocity's cl***loading is broken, it's fixed in cvs I think
<tastapod> ufc - have you thought about what value you are getting from EJBs and whether an alternative approach might be better?
<ufc> fate: cvs of what, velocity?
<tastapod> just curious
<fate> yeh
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