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<[Sn]> and if they do, they are stupid and should be ignored
<Idle0ne> guys when i have for ( ; i < arrayOfInts.length; i++) { do something } the i is not accessable outside of the for loop is it?
<[Sn]> depends on where the i is initialized
<Idle0ne> ahh ok
<[Sn]> defined
<ech> [Sn]: not true, but feel free to ignore me ;)
<[Sn]> sorry
<Idle0ne> it's initilized outside the for loop didnt notice that
<[Sn]> ./ibnore ech :)
<[Sn]> doh
<ech> :]
<Idle0ne> looking over some code to learn by and noticed a reference of i outside of the loop :)
<Idle0ne> thank
<top^> /say /ignore ech :)
<fallacy> [Sn]: hmm there are plenty of commercial java applets
<[Sn]> i havent used a single one that I felt was worthy of discussing, but thats just me :)
<[Sn]> im sure others in this channel would be happy to talk about applets
<[Sn]> in fact, msg epesh, i hear he likes applets (and javascript!) :)
<[Sn]> msg him twice, just in case he doesnt get the first one
<Teckla> Does Swing have a horizontal bar type of component?
<Teckla> I just want something simple to separate some component groups.
<fallacy> [Sn]: ever use Mind Term? http://www.appgate.com/products/80_MindTerm/110_MindTerm_Download/index.php
<ech> fallacy: it's useful yeah, but it's not worth persuading ops applets are worth discussing :)
<fallacy> ech: well I think [Sn] answered my question anyhow
<ech> then you're lucky!
<ech> :)
<fallacy> I guess just kids coming in here asking homework questions where 99% of them had to do with applets annoyed people
<Idle0ne> what are wrong with applets?
<[Sn]> im sure there are useful applets, that would be made all the more useful if they were webstart apps instead. . . but again, very few people actually develop useful applets (which isnt to say they dont exist)
<fallacy> Idle0ne: that was my original question :)
<[Sn]> so, people asking questions in here about applets are rarely asking something useful or intelligent
<Idle0ne> ah gotcha [Sn]
<[Sn]> and in most cases can ask their question without even indicating that it is applet related ;)
<Idle0ne> do you support jsp in here or just java?
<[Sn]> and nobody would be the wiser
<fallacy> yeah, good point
<[Sn]> usually applet questions are about browser jvm ****ups
<[Sn]> why doesnt x run in browser y
<fallacy> ah ok
<fallacy> not about coding one
<[Sn]> and there are about a billion browser jvm ****ups
<haploid> hey we have webstart apps :)
<[Sn]> webstart++
<haploid> webstart++ indeed
<[Sn]> go run argouml
<[Sn]> thats a handy webstart app
<[Sn]> i have 3 webstart apps that i run here internally that work out quite well
<[Sn]> much better than any applet would
<haploid> yeah, our shipping and warehouse management console apps are webstart
<[Sn]> ohh nice
<[Sn]> i wasnt big on webstart when it was first released, but after using it a while, im pretty content with it
<haploid> so much nicer than distributing **** with rsync and having to configure every station
<fallacy> webstart doesn't use the Applet interface?
<[Sn]> entirely different
<jstepka-h> confession
<jjava> Remember when joeblowgt said 'I love Sara. She used to love me. I am not white. She is. Her family had a problem with that. Anyone have any bleach? .... I want to drink it and die.'?
<haploid> [Sn], ****ed japanese chick last night
<haploid> now all I need are thai and vietnamese to complete my tour of Asia
<Idle0ne> so hmm i am looking at the webpad sample in the jnlp dir, how would one go about building the webstart app, i mean compiling
<Idle0ne> so that it could be used on the web
<[Sn]> haploid: you havent completed the tour yet? loser!
<haploid> [Sn], :(
<haploid> [Sn]++
<[Sn]> china and korea are closer friends than i thought ;)
<top^> slang tag team
<jjava> tag team (1 of 4): for a few guys (usually friends) to take turns having *** with a particular girl in one ***ual session
<[Sn]> but the chinese girl (who was the key to this hookup) has moved on to some rich guy so i cant even get seconds of her korean gf :(
<[Sn]> and the korean gf was so much hotter
<haploid> damn
<jjava> DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! *slowly pan back to see destroyed Statue of Liberty*
<[Sn]> maybe tag team isnt the right word
<haploid> slang train
<jjava> train (1 of 3): A group of guys stand in a line outside a room. One by one, they enter the room to have *** with one girl inside. The line must have at least 7 guys to be qualified as a train.
<[Sn]> it started out as a "my friend wants to watch"
<[Sn]> to which i replied "hell ****ing yes!"
<Idle0ne> anyone that can tell me how i would compile this app?
<haploid> bwahaha
<[Sn]> because we all know "watching" means "****ing"
<[Sn]> but yeah, it turned out pretty good all things considered
<[Sn]> but now the chinese girl and i are "just friends" since she wants to date this rich bentley driving guy *shrug*
<V0lv0760> anyone know a good and easy program to learn java in? we currently use BlueJ, but the keys wont answer correctly on my laptop..
<[Sn]> so no more ***y ***y :(
<[Sn]> met a white girl at oktoberfest though, calling that up tonight
<haploid> alcoholics++
<[Sn]> its not often i get a blonde
<[Sn]> so i need to take advantage while i can
<haploid> I don't care that much for blondes
<haploid> not sure why
<[Sn]> i generally stick to asian women (korean mostly, with a smattering of japanese girls)
<fallacy> V0lv0760: an ide?
<[Sn]> so the white girl experience is very rare
<haploid> ahhhhh
<haploid> yellow fever
<haploid> I thought Myra was isolated incident
<[Sn]> yeah, and compared to asian guys, im hung like a horse :P hah
<haploid> slang yellow fever
<jjava> yellow fever (1 of 15): A mental disease that afflicts the [Wapanese], the [fanboy]s, and the [otaku]. Symptoms of this condition are;
<V0lv0760> fallacy: an IDE? yes, but a easy one to use.. i have tryed Emacs, but its to complicated.. :p
<fallacy> V0lv0760: try netbeans
<[Sn]> V0lv0760: intellij.com
<haploid> V0lv0760, kinabaloo
<[Sn]> haha
<V0lv0760> fallacy: netbeans follows with the Java SDK?
<[Sn]> netbeans is ****ty
<[Sn]> go to intellij.com
<[Sn]> do it now
<V0lv0760> /run www.intellij.com
<V0lv0760> oops
<[Sn]> nerd
<fallacy> I like netbeans, but isn't intellij nonfree?
<ordain> idea?
<jjava> idea is http://www.jetbrains.com/idea
<V0lv0760> "Buy"
<ordain> eclipse?`
<ordain> eclipse?
<jjava> eclipse is suitable
<[Sn]> did ordain just suggest eclipse?
<[Sn]> *rub eyes*
<ordain> no, just checking the factoids :)
<[Sn]> like, for real?
<[Sn]> oh
<[Sn]> phew
<ordain> :)
<haploid> kinabaloo?
<jjava> kinabaloo is the best IDE ever and will be at version 30.0 soon
<ordain> hehe
<ordain> kinabaloo++
<[Sn]> "someone hacked ordains account!!"
<ordain> factoid kinabaloo
<jjava> factoid is [Factoid: key=kinabaloo,value=<is>the best IDE ever and will be at version 30.0 soon,createdBy=kinabalu,createdTime=2005-09-30 11:09:12.661,lastModifiedBy=null,lastModifiedTime=null,isDeleted=false,deletedBy=null,deletedTime=null,isLocked=false,used=4]
<[Sn]> "someone who likes applets no doubt!"
<Idle0ne> kinabaloo better than InelliJ Idea?
<[Sn]> whoah!
<[Sn]> wtf
<[Sn]> kinabaloo has been downgraded to 2.5 :(
<V0lv0760> so eclipse and IntelliJ IDEA is good to start with?
<fallacy> I find netbeans a lot more pleasant to use than eclipse
<ordain> hmm, not any kinabaloo release since the summer, still 27.4b
<ordain> sn: no, that's another of their projects
<[Sn]> oh wait
<[Sn]> damn
<jjava> DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! *slowly pan back to see destroyed Statue of Liberty*
<haploid> V0lv0760, yes, if you think a Pinto and a Ferrari are good cars to start with.
<ordain> the IDE is 27.4b
<[Sn]> i was so confused by the beauty of their site that i got confused
<fallacy> V0lv0760: I heard intellij was good as well, but I'm not sure that it's free


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