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<[Sn]> and if they do, they are stupid and should be ignored <Idle0ne> guys when i have for ( ; i < arrayOfInts.length; i++) { do something } the i is not accessable outside of the for loop is it? <[Sn]> depends on where the i is initialized <Idle0ne> ahh ok <[Sn]> defined <ech> [Sn]: not true, but feel free to ignore me ;) <[Sn]> sorry <Idle0ne> it's initilized outside the for loop didnt notice that <[Sn]> ./ibnore ech :) <[Sn]> doh <ech> :] <Idle0ne> looking over some code to learn by and noticed a reference of i outside of the loop :) <Idle0ne> thank <top^> /say /ignore ech :) <fallacy> [Sn]: hmm there are plenty of commercial java applets <[Sn]> i havent used a single one that I felt was worthy of discussing, but thats just me :) <[Sn]> im sure others in this channel would be happy to talk about applets <[Sn]> in fact, msg epesh, i hear he likes applets (and javascript!) :) <[Sn]> msg him twice, just in case he doesnt get the first one <Teckla> Does Swing have a horizontal bar type of component? <Teckla> I just want something simple to separate some component groups. <fallacy> [Sn]: ever use Mind Term? http://www.appgate.com/products/80_MindTerm/110_MindTerm_Download/index.php <ech> fallacy: it's useful yeah, but it's not worth persuading ops applets are worth discussing :) <fallacy> ech: well I think [Sn] answered my question anyhow <ech> then you're lucky! <ech> :) <fallacy> I guess just kids coming in here asking homework questions where 99% of them had to do with applets annoyed people <Idle0ne> what are wrong with applets? <[Sn]> im sure there are useful applets, that would be made all the more useful if they were webstart apps instead. . . but again, very few people actually develop useful applets (which isnt to say they dont exist) <fallacy> Idle0ne: that was my original question :) <[Sn]> so, people asking questions in here about applets are rarely asking something useful or intelligent <Idle0ne> ah gotcha [Sn] <[Sn]> and in most cases can ask their question without even indicating that it is applet related ;) <Idle0ne> do you support jsp in here or just java? <[Sn]> and nobody would be the wiser <fallacy> yeah, good point <[Sn]> usually applet questions are about browser jvm ****ups <[Sn]> why doesnt x run in browser y <fallacy> ah ok <fallacy> not about coding one <[Sn]> and there are about a billion browser jvm ****ups <haploid> hey we have webstart apps :) <[Sn]> webstart++ <haploid> webstart++ indeed <[Sn]> go run argouml <[Sn]> thats a handy webstart app <[Sn]> i have 3 webstart apps that i run here internally that work out quite well <[Sn]> much better than any applet would <haploid> yeah, our shipping and warehouse management console apps are webstart <[Sn]> ohh nice <[Sn]> i wasnt big on webstart when it was first released, but after using it a while, im pretty content with it <haploid> so much nicer than distributing **** with rsync and having to configure every station <fallacy> webstart doesn't use the Applet interface? <[Sn]> entirely different <jstepka-h> confession <jjava> Remember when joeblowgt said 'I love Sara. She used to love me. I am not white. She is. Her family had a problem with that. Anyone have any bleach? .... I want to drink it and die.'? <haploid> [Sn], ****ed japanese chick last night <haploid> now all I need are thai and vietnamese to complete my tour of Asia <Idle0ne> so hmm i am looking at the webpad sample in the jnlp dir, how would one go about building the webstart app, i mean compiling <Idle0ne> so that it could be used on the web <[Sn]> haploid: you havent completed the tour yet? loser! <haploid> [Sn], :( <haploid> [Sn]++ <[Sn]> china and korea are closer friends than i thought ;) <top^> slang tag team <jjava> tag team (1 of 4): for a few guys (usually friends) to take turns having *** with a particular girl in one ***ual session <[Sn]> but the chinese girl (who was the key to this hookup) has moved on to some rich guy so i cant even get seconds of her korean gf :( <[Sn]> and the korean gf was so much hotter <haploid> damn <jjava> DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! *slowly pan back to see destroyed Statue of Liberty* <[Sn]> maybe tag team isnt the right word <haploid> slang train <jjava> train (1 of 3): A group of guys stand in a line outside a room. One by one, they enter the room to have *** with one girl inside. The line must have at least 7 guys to be qualified as a train. <[Sn]> it started out as a "my friend wants to watch" <[Sn]> to which i replied "hell ****ing yes!" <Idle0ne> anyone that can tell me how i would compile this app? <haploid> bwahaha <[Sn]> because we all know "watching" means "****ing" <[Sn]> but yeah, it turned out pretty good all things considered <[Sn]> but now the chinese girl and i are "just friends" since she wants to date this rich bentley driving guy *shrug* <V0lv0760> anyone know a good and easy program to learn java in? we currently use BlueJ, but the keys wont answer correctly on my laptop.. <[Sn]> so no more ***y ***y :( <[Sn]> met a white girl at oktoberfest though, calling that up tonight <haploid> alcoholics++ <[Sn]> its not often i get a blonde <[Sn]> so i need to take advantage while i can <haploid> I don't care that much for blondes <haploid> not sure why <[Sn]> i generally stick to asian women (korean mostly, with a smattering of japanese girls) <fallacy> V0lv0760: an ide? <[Sn]> so the white girl experience is very rare <haploid> ahhhhh <haploid> yellow fever <haploid> I thought Myra was isolated incident <[Sn]> yeah, and compared to asian guys, im hung like a horse :P hah <haploid> slang yellow fever <jjava> yellow fever (1 of 15): A mental disease that afflicts the [Wapanese], the [fanboy]s, and the [otaku]. Symptoms of this condition are; <V0lv0760> fallacy: an IDE? yes, but a easy one to use.. i have tryed Emacs, but its to complicated.. :p <fallacy> V0lv0760: try netbeans <[Sn]> V0lv0760: intellij.com <haploid> V0lv0760, kinabaloo <[Sn]> haha <V0lv0760> fallacy: netbeans follows with the Java SDK? <[Sn]> netbeans is ****ty <[Sn]> go to intellij.com <[Sn]> do it now <V0lv0760> /run www.intellij.com <V0lv0760> oops <[Sn]> nerd <fallacy> I like netbeans, but isn't intellij nonfree? <ordain> idea? <jjava> idea is http://www.jetbrains.com/idea <V0lv0760> "Buy" <ordain> eclipse?` <ordain> eclipse? <jjava> eclipse is suitable <[Sn]> did ordain just suggest eclipse? <[Sn]> *rub eyes* <ordain> no, just checking the factoids :) <[Sn]> like, for real? <[Sn]> oh <[Sn]> phew <ordain> :) <haploid> kinabaloo? <jjava> kinabaloo is the best IDE ever and will be at version 30.0 soon <ordain> hehe <ordain> kinabaloo++ <[Sn]> "someone hacked ordains account!!" <ordain> factoid kinabaloo <jjava> factoid is [Factoid: key=kinabaloo,value=<is>the best IDE ever and will be at version 30.0 soon,createdBy=kinabalu,createdTime=2005-09-30 11:09:12.661,lastModifiedBy=null,lastModifiedTime=null,isDeleted=false,deletedBy=null,deletedTime=null,isLocked=false,used=4] <[Sn]> "someone who likes applets no doubt!" <Idle0ne> kinabaloo better than InelliJ Idea? <[Sn]> whoah! <[Sn]> wtf <[Sn]> kinabaloo has been downgraded to 2.5 :( <V0lv0760> so eclipse and IntelliJ IDEA is good to start with? <fallacy> I find netbeans a lot more pleasant to use than eclipse <ordain> hmm, not any kinabaloo release since the summer, still 27.4b <ordain> sn: no, that's another of their projects <[Sn]> oh wait <[Sn]> damn <jjava> DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! *slowly pan back to see destroyed Statue of Liberty* <haploid> V0lv0760, yes, if you think a Pinto and a Ferrari are good cars to start with. <ordain> the IDE is 27.4b <[Sn]> i was so confused by the beauty of their site that i got confused <fallacy> V0lv0760: I heard intellij was good as well, but I'm not sure that it's free
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