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<gauze> oops wrong channel
<KneeGrow> ha
<Idle`> ****
<Trey> Idle`: nada
<Idle`> Trey: what?
<Trey> the link gave me nothing
<Trey> there it goes
<Idle`> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BRF_WOMAN_HANGED?SITE=ARSPR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-10-27-19-10-37
<LAMBCHOP> * The ***ociated Press :: http://tinyurl.com/dbu9z
<Idle`> ah, kay
<Trey> hehe messing with my old stomping grounds?
<Idle`> na, came accross it on #solaris
<Trey> Idle`: ah how are the resident sol ***holes
<Idle`> good, I think. I dont even use solaris, the channel is fun tho, they quote grouphugabout 300 times a day... so theres always something interesting going on.. not alot of tech talk
<Trey> they **** *** for help and most aren't very good with solaris. i'd be ashamed to call myself a professional and behave the way some of those guys do.
<Idle`> heh, I can imagine
<Idle`> I just cleaned off my solaris disk... gonna install Slack perhaps this weekend
<Trey> no more solaris 10?
<Idle`> yea, I got bored
<Idle`> I dont wanna be plugged in to do everything...
<Trey> i like solaris, but its quite a bit of work to admin
<Idle`> I wanna use slack so when it gets to clustering I have complete control over the network
<KneeGrow> I'm all slack
<KneeGrow> slack ownz
<Idle`> I had a guy tell me to use redhat/fedora, cause thats what he uses... I almost laughed him off the face of the earth.... this after he said Linux is for people who are unable to use windows....
<KneeGrow> wow
<KneeGrow> lol
<KneeGrow> what a dip****
<KneeGrow> Windows is way too complicated for me
<Trey> Idle`: hehe. still though redhat has its merits
<Idle`> haha
<Idle`> Trey: it does, any idiot can use it. :)
<Trey> Idle`: other than that
<Idle`> hehe
<gauze> we use redhat here. it just needs some TLC. and I never use RPMs
<Trey> gauze: i used to make my own
<Idle`> it does, but when I wanna setup a cluster, I need to control it...
<Idle`> I use gentoo, but everything I use is from source
<Trey> Idle`: an you can. although it requires more work to do so than something like slack
<Idle`> not portage source, I mean real source
<gauze> we have to use redhat on 6 servers to support the web accellerator server ****
<gauze> so it's easier to just have everything redhat, or so I have been told.
<gauze> I use slack or debian at home.
<Idle`> Trey: yea, I hate gentoo's package manager... drives me nuts.... takes more to manage portage then it does to manage source packages
<KneeGrow> Redhat is always easier
<Idle`> hence why I need to graduate to slack.... 1 step at a time
<KneeGrow> but too bloated in my opinion
<gauze> anyway I turn off everything, install what I like and recompile the kernel, voila as good as any other distro pretty much
<KneeGrow> I started with slack 'cause the guy that taught me linux insisted that it's the best
<RedACE> slack 3.6 was the first linux distro I used
<Idle`> gauze: linux is linux is linux. that a fact. :)
<Trey> Idle`: oh you're a volkerding virgin?
<Phaid> not really
<gauze> slack 2.0 1st slack I used, my first distro
<Idle`> Trey: which?
<KneeGrow> I think I was in the 3s when I started
<KneeGrow> in like.. 97?
<Trey> Phaid: what not really?
<Phaid> linux is linux is linux
<RedACE> might have been 3.4 actually
<Phaid> look at a RH / fedora kernel compared to a stock or a slackware one and you just can't say that
<Idle`> they all have their quirks, and do things a little different... but generally theyre the same deal, with a different ribbon
<Trey> Phaid: yeah. but i do say that given enough time and skill the distribution is irrelevant
<Phaid> sure
<gauze> I don't use stock rh kernels on public facing machines. f that.
<KneeGrow> Trey, agreed.. but it's a matter of taste
<Idle`> yea, initrd compared to a more monolithic, kernel wise, but its still the same kernel, just more or less patched
<Phaid> gauze yea definitely. kernel.org + grsecurity
<KneeGrow> if someone tells me they're in love with RH, I just think - "N00blet"
<Phaid> heh.
<Phaid> I started with SLS 1.03 in 93
<Idle`> Phaid: same here... I need to get a later kernel tho....
<KneeGrow> 93...
<KneeGrow> man
<Phaid> and I'm about to build my first PC since that doesn't have linux on it
<KneeGrow> I'd never used a computer in '93
<Idle`> 2.6.11.7-grsec
<Trey> Phaid: same but with slack in 94. although i had half of sls downloaded before a friend told me i was an idiot and to try this new slackware thing
<Phaid> haha
<Phaid> yeah SLS was a tough one to start with
<KneeGrow> I got my first computer in 94
<KneeGrow> with win95!
<Idle`> I got my first in 95, with win 3.11
<Phaid> any distro which leaves the mounting of /proc as an exercise for the reader...
<KneeGrow> and the linux guys on IRC OWNED me
<KneeGrow> with teardrop.c
<xtor> KneeGrow so you converted?
<Trey> bestbuy and a 40+10 free box of floppies. 2 days later and 1 new floppy drive and i had it installed
<Phaid> but yeah other than my redhat period (4.2 to 6.2) I've always run slack
<KneeGrow> xtor, nah, I got a shell from a friend and learned to protect myself
<KneeGrow> Phaid, me too
<KneeGrow> I experimented with others, but they're just annoying
<Phaid> I still have the 54 floppies from the SLS download haha
<Phaid> though I'd be surprised if they all still worked
<KneeGrow> however, I did switch one of my good friends over to linux recently. She's using Fedora
<KneeGrow> dude, you should sell those on e-bay
<KneeGrow> lo
<KneeGrow> 54 floppies.... man
<Phaid> bah you can still download some versions of SLS
<KneeGrow> but yours is an antique, man
<Phaid> although, these were actually installed to a 486sx/25, so they're a piece of history
<Phaid> haha right :)
<KneeGrow> exactly
<Trey> i've got my 6 cd walnut creek subscription still
<Phaid> not long ago I actually pondered ebaying myself a 486/25 just to put some old*** distro like that on
<KneeGrow> I have my 6 floppy Windows XP boot disk!
<Phaid> probably I'd move up to slackware 1.0 though
<KneeGrow> you better keep that off the internet
<KneeGrow> lol
<KneeGrow> you'd be 0wn3d in no time
<Phaid> I got a firewall here :)
<RedACE> ya so I think this windows machine has a virus
<KneeGrow> RedACE, don't they all?
<Trey> what did 1 ship with? 0.0.99 with Net-2?
<KneeGrow> I think Windows is the virus
<RedACE> My network monitor saw it connect to a gnutella port on a peer1 network
<Phaid> Trey must have been some variant of 0.99 yeah. SLS 1.03 came with 0.99pre12
<KneeGrow> how do you remember that?
<Trey> Phaid: i've forgotten. i just remember running 1.1.59 for a long time and then 1.2.3 for over 2 years
<Phaid> 1.2.13 you mean
<Trey> yes i do
<Phaid> the most stable kernel, ever
<Trey> yeah
<Phaid> yeah I ran that for a long time too
<KneeGrow> 2.6.9 is pretty stable for me
<Trey> KneeGrow: it has some bugs
<Phaid> yeah but I mean this was "the" stable kernel for what, 3 years KneeGrow
<KneeGrow> oh
<KneeGrow> yeh, they all have some bugs
<Trey> yeah 1.2.13 was crazy stable
<Phaid> it was as close to a bug free kernel as anything ever has been
<KneeGrow> everything has bugs, man
<Phaid> oh surely
<KneeGrow> and it's tolerable to have to reboot a server every 6 months
<Trey> KneeGrow: of course. but its amazing when something goes for as long as 1.2.13 without bug reports
<gauze> since we're talking about the old days I remember the day AOL 6 came out like it was yesterday
<KneeGrow> lol
<KneeGrow> you better run
<Phaid> Linux iris 2.4.20-grsec #1 Sat Feb 22 12:30:22 EST 2003 i686 unknown
<KneeGrow> ducking aint gonna do it
<Phaid> still pretty stable that
<Phaid> the only times I've taken that machine down is to replace the UPS
<Idle`> Linux shepherd 2.6.8.1 #1 Sun Oct 17 00:56:25 MDT 2004 i686 Celeron (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
<KneeGrow> yeh, I have a server at home on 2.6.9
<Phaid> I think it says something that my firewall has outlasted 2 APC UPSes :-\
<Idle`> I should probably update that....
<KneeGrow> it's been up for over 6 months
<KneeGrow> without a hitch
<gauze> I have 2 2.4.20 machines with ~670 day uptimes right now
<KneeGrow> actually, my damn linnksys router at home ****s
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