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<CryArvach> lithium is snorting himslef..lol 60%
<Herzen> Eh, if the U.S. fails in Iraq, it won't be because the U.S. didn't use 'extreme tactics' or be more 'harsh' or w/e
<TomM--> The nation needs Hillary to save us. By the time Bush leaves office we will be in dire straights...Hillary is the savior of the Republic....hehehehe dat ought to make Comets head implode!!
<Herzen> It will be because the U.S. public will have lost stomach for it
<Herzen> nothing more
<Lithium-> CryArvach: what percent think it was a mistake?
<Katey> granted, fringe people DO espouse that, but so do many more mainstream Americans as well
<Swigert> ugh - Hillary makes Bush seem pleasant, even p***ive
<symbio> An ASAP pullout of Iraq is a very "fringe" supported ideal
<Pugsley1> hillary is going to sit back and sign technology wavers to please her masters in china
<CryArvach> TomM-- Hillary will turn the USA into the USSA..then Tomm--will be in paradise
<CometBaby> TomM don't worry. She is riding over the hill on her white pig .. coming to save you.
<Herzen> ASAP Iraqi pullout is selfish
<DrFlip> At least the fringe right is pro-America
<redfish> herzen more because the efforts have become boring than people really have informed views though, thats how politics is nowadays
<Pugsley1> and iraq pullout is a terrorist victory
<Pugsley1> and that is what the democrats and the far left want
<Pugsley1> well not all democrats I guess
<Pugsley1> but most of their politicians
<DrFlip> CometBaby: I love the picture that draws
<CometBaby> me too :)
<CryArvach> CB... ToMm-- is beyond redemption....I vote for euthanasia...
<Lithium-> In a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll last month, 53% of Americans said that the Iraq war was a mistake.
<Katey> Many democrats view pullout as the best possible option out of a number of ****ty options
<Lithium-> yea, thats ****in' fringe right there
<Katey> They don't support "victory for terrorists"
<CryArvach> now Tomm-- can watch democracy in action
<symbio> Yea, "a" poll
<symbio> "A" poll determines fringe
<Rockfish> Pullout is the most idiotic option anyone could ever come up with
<Swigert> our troops will eventually leave Iraq
<Lithium-> symbio: not necessarily, but it can tell you whats NOT fringe
<Katey> But they feel that the war is unwinnable in Iraq and that our presence there isn't helping.
<CryArvach> Lithium.....15 years later...polls will say US should have stopped Iraq before they started WW III
<SweetLeaf> Pullout now is not an option
<CryArvach> go figure
<symbio> Lithium-: Thats right, over half the country is against the war
<TomM--> Pugsley1 there were no terrorists in Iraq prior to our invasion....Bin Laden hated Sadaam and vice versa....we made it a terrorist haven...a US soldier smorgasborg for terrorists...
<symbio> Lithium-: lol
<Rockfish> No they don't feel the war is unwinnable, they want to lose so they can deny Bush a victory
<DrFlip> You can think it was a mistake and not support pullout
<Katey> DrFlip, sure
<Katey> There are many that hold that view as well
<Lithium-> symbio: "against the war" and "war was a mistake" are slightly different, you have the hindsight bias in the latter
<Katey> The "you broke it, you bought it" view
<redfish> herzen i mean there may be reasons to want to give up on the efforts in iraq.. but most people dont know much. i think with a lot of political events public opinion swings on what has dragged out too long and become boring
<Lithium-> symbio: do you dispute that poll?
<symbio> Lithium-: No, thats called word game
<TomM--> Katey...that was Colin Powells view, you break it you own it.
<Lithium-> symbio: do you not agree that most of the country thinks we should not have gone to iraq?
<Katey> TomM--, that was the prevailing view among the mainstream left for awhile
<CryArvach> ahh Colin Powell...he was called a Token by some dems I believe
<symbio> Lithium-: No
<symbio> I don't
<TomM--> Katey Colin Powell was the mainstream left?
<Lithium-> symbio: do you think the polls are lying?
<CryArvach> ToMm-- Miolitary is apolitical
<symbio> Lithium-: I think polls tend to be slanted
<CryArvach> Lithium..I think they are skewed
<Katey> TomM--, well no. :) But the view he espoused reflected the feelings of the mainstream American left for a time
<Kaliuna> Lithium -- people change... and polls are for BS
<symbio> Give the media they usually end up lock stepping with
<CryArvach> SCARY ****! I agreed with my symbiont again?
<BlueJeans> I've never heard Powel described that way by either dems or repubs. Everyone seems to have too much respect for him. Power is a rare man of integrity.
<Kaliuna> Lithium and most people agreed with going into Iraq...
<Lithium-> the righties never believe in polls when they're not in their favor, mostly because they dont understand math very well :/
<symbio> Lithium-: No, I don't believe in polls period
<Katey> Yes. Poll are always BS, unless they reflect your own view. :)
<symbio> I don't believe in media period
<CryArvach> then the Condy cartoons when she was elevated...priceless...
<symbio> The media is a bunch of lying pieces of ****
<Lithium-> Kaliuna: yes, most people did. Most people belived the bush administration that there were WMDS
<symbio> All of them
<TomM--> CryArvach thats not true...the General was a true grunt. He knew war. True warriors are always the most reluctant.
<symbio> even FOX
<CryArvach> a peek into how dem logic works...
<Kaliuna> Lithium -- actually polls are skewed to reflect what pollsters desire --
<P_O> Katez0rz, shh
<redfish> hi po
<Kaliuna> Lithium -- show me where that was claimed -- it wasn't - it was pushed by DEMS after the fact
<Katey> That depends. Some polls are partisan, even if they'
<Swigert> I heard a horrible story about Cometbaby. I heard she goes to Church (ooooh!!!) on Sunday (ooooo!!!!) and believes in...in...in...GOD (*faint*).
<CryArvach> P_O hates mirrors...
<Katey> they're conducted by "independat" organizations
<Lithium-> Kaliuna: um, lol. that was the whole case for going to war.
<symbio> Lithium-: I can say the same thing
<Katey> But there are some that have a reputation as fairly reliable
<Kaliuna> Lithium - PROVE IT -- I have the original speech - and WMDs are not included...
<symbio> You libs love to quote polls when its slanting away from Bush
<Katey> It's helpful to look at a wide variety of them
<symbio> But you all ignore the polls that go in his favor
<Lithium-> Kaliuna: what original speech? there were many speeches, many interviews. Look at bush's 2003 SotU
<symbio> But alas, lib's are always such "equal" and "fair" voices
<Katey> Kaliuna, which original speach? State of the Union?
<Kaliuna> Lithium - the one given before the vote to go to iraq --
<CometBaby> swiggy .. lies .. lies .. all lies !
<Swigert> 50 years ago in America, and it is still true in many parts, it would have been unthinkable to elect someone who didn't attend Church regularly.
<CometBaby> well not all lies
<Kaliuna> .... hang 10-- phone call... brb
<TomM--> Comet LOL....
<Swigert> CometBaby: nowadays, if you go to church, you're seen as a zealot
<Lithium-> you can tell who the Rush listening crowd is
<symbio> Church people are "bad"
<symbio> Those evil Christians!
<CometBaby> well, I don't go to church .. I am not religious :)
<Katey> Have we ever elected a president who wasn't a church-goer?
<Lithium-> "We didnt go to iraq to disarm saddam.."
<TomM--> hey I go to church....
<Lithium-> "Clinton supported invading saddam.."
<CometBaby> but I do believe in God
<CryArvach> Free Alberta???? ZEALOT!!!
<Swigert> katey: we elected a minister once - guess who?
<CryArvach> I do not go to church....feh
<CometBaby> I just do not believe in organized religion
<Swigert> tomm: heretic!!! BURN!!!!!
<Katey> Swigert, that wasn't my question. :)
<Swigert> katey: guess
<Katey> Swigert, I have no idea
<symbio> If only we had just left Saddm in power and sanctioned him a bit more =)
<CryArvach> Swigert ZEALOT!!!! Burn him to show how peaceful and tolerant we are!!
<symbio> Everything would be A OK
<Swigert> katey: James A. Garfield
<Katey> Swigert, ok
<CryArvach> Garfield was a Dark Horse
<symbio> Someday, I suppose Saddam would have straightend up!
<Katey> But anyway, it's not considered "zealous" to be a regular church-goer in American politics.
<CryArvach> symbio...after how much land was irradiated?
<symbio> I mean, who cares about m*** graves anyways?
<TomM--> Swigert I swear allegiance to the Vatican. I am a Knight of Columbus, and we will slay you non believers...We got a secret hand shake and everything...nice uniforms and big swords!! :)
<Katey> Good luck getting elected if you're not known to be at least somewhat religious.
<DrFlip> If only we had one more resolution, Saddam woulda straightened up
<symbio> Or athletes tortured after games?
<Swigert> tomm: freemason!!! die die die
<symbio> OR women being brutalized?
<CryArvach> DrFlip...uh huh...
<CryArvach> even after 12 years..he would have listened
<CryArvach> Swigert Canadianati! HEretic!!
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