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<DStewart> The French, he said, had concluded that the reports were true.
<KoBushi> turned*
<Estuary> DStewart - the Niger Uranium document forgeries didn't originate with the French, but nice way to try to implicate the much-hated french.
<DStewart> In March '03, the french govt announced that its previous ***essment had been based on the forged documents.
<RustyFord> Kobushi my dual piston oilless is more effiencient at 50 psi than that piece of **** you are talking about =)
<DStewart> Estuary, well, the FBI is investigating just that possibility.
<KoBushi> RustyFord I'm talking about a refrigeration compressor
<DStewart> Wheras there's no sign that Fitzgerald is investigating the matter at all.
<RustyFord> not to mention Kobushi, did i mention its OILLESS
<RustyFord> Kobushi uhmm
<Estuary> DStewart - hah. so the French hoodwinked the Bush administration into using phoney intelligence to justify its war?
<Estuary> hilarious
<RustyFord> you know nothing about silentaire huh?
<RustyFord> yet again
<KoBushi> RustyFord copeland scrolls are the most efficient refrigeration compressors in existance. Period.
<RustyFord> Rusty"windmill"Ford has to school a newb
<KoBushi> as for air compressors, I could give a **** less :)
<KoBushi> actually, no I COULDN'T give a **** less :P
<RustyFord> Kobushi when you get a grip on what an air compressor is come talk to me
<DStewart> Estuary, the documents were not the justification for the war.
<KoBushi> RustyFord I don't care about air compressors :P
<KoBushi> I care about reaching -300F
<DStewart> The documents were given to the US emb***y in Rome by an Italian journalist.
<RustyFord> Kobushi you should......
<Estuary> DStewart - the line in bush's SotU address, and the fear of an iraqi nuclear program were central to the argument for the pre-emptive war.
<DStewart> But the FBI doesn't think that it's hilarious, apparently.
<KoBushi> Why should I care about air compressors? :)
<RustyFord> the company you are bragging about uses air compressors that are built by Silentaire
<RustyFord> DOH!
<RustyFord> hehehheheeh
<Lupine> hahahaha
<Lupine> DOH!
<DStewart> Estuary, the line in Bush's SOTU address wasn't in theh least central to the argument.
<KoBushi> RustyFord ... and?
<RustyFord> nothing....
<KoBushi> I'm talking about A ... and you start talking smack about something completely and utterly unrelated
<RustyFord> hey check this out?
<Estuary> DStewart - got a reference to the FBI naming France as a potential suspect ?
<RustyFord> you ever watch spiders make a web besides on tv?
<DStewart> Though by the time of the SOTU, the CIA had already approved the Iraq-Niger language several times, in several contexts.
<KoBushi> "hey this is a neat A" "yeah well I have an awesome Z!" ... wtf is that about?
<RustyFord> this **** is cool as hell
<Lupine> RF: -300F cool?
<RustyFord> depends
<RustyFord> they already have to be -30 to get there
<RustyFord> and still have to work without freezing up
<RustyFord> they have to be built in a dry room
<DStewart> http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/217wnmrb.asp?pg=2
<RustyFord> and they have to work under m***ive psi
<RustyFord> of pressure
<RustyFord> they had this neat little machine in texas that a friend of mine used to help me build model parts in
<RustyFord> =)
<suna> i hate those wannabe units
<RustyFord> and we could run a pump in there at near INSANE pressures
<Estuary> Some current and former Bush administration officials remain convinced that the French role in this matter was no accident. They speculate that French intelligence, seeking to embarr*** the U.S. government, may have been the original source of the bad documents.
<Estuary> hahaha
<Estuary> pathetic if the bush administration let French counter-intelligence fool them with ****ty forgeries
<Herzen> eh I don't think thats true at all
<KoooK> that's so stupid
<Estuary> herzen - i don't either
<Estuary> its ridiculous
<DStewart> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wuran05.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/05/ixworld.html
<RustyFord> yeh it so stupid
<Estuary> DStewart - got any more. this ****'s hilarious.
<DStewart> Estuary, gosh, interesting that you skipped the FBI's interest in it.
<RustyFord> lets see you take leading edge G force at that pressure
<RustyFord> heh
<DStewart> Estuary, what's the hilarious part?
<Estuary> yeah, according to the Washington Times, the FBI is investigating whether an Iraqi resistance group created them.
<Estuary> Ahcmad Challabi anyone ?
<DStewart> Apparently the Italian govt and British govt also don't think it's so stupid or ridiculous.
<DStewart> Estuary, yes, because Challabi has been found to have provided so much false... oh, wait. No, he hasn't.
<KoooK> FBI is doing foreign intelligence work now?
<RustyFord> yes
<RustyFord> have been since Clinton
<Estuary> They say that France's intelligence services used an Italian-born middle-man to circulate a mixture of genuine and bogus documents to "trap" the two leading proponents of war with Saddam into making unsupportable claims.
<Estuary> HAHAH
<DStewart> Koook, no. FBI is doing work on intel that the US receives. Just as they also investigate crimes or attacks on the US in foreign countries.
<RustyFord> yes
<Estuary> DStewart - really man, this **** is preposterous. the French were trying to "trap" the US and UK ?
<RustyFord> D yer wrong
<Estuary> HAHA
<RustyFord> D and i don't mean to be a jerk
<KoooK> pretty obvious the CIA/military doesnt work with the FBI
<KoBushi> Man the cryoscroll is only 20m^3/hr ... even the smallest normal scroll is like 252m^3/hr
<DStewart> Estuary, "haha" isn't really much of an argument.
<RustyFord> D under Clinton we have teams that went to pakistan
<RustyFord> under te FBI
<RustyFord> the FBI was given authority just like the CIA "almost"
<RustyFord> its "funky" law
<RustyFord> thats why the FBI and the CIA didn't share information before 9/11
<Estuary> DStewart - what argument is there to make here. either way, its terribly embarr***ing for the bush administration. whether the french or iraqis made these shoddy forgeries, the bush administration either stupidly put stock in them OR willfully decieved about them.
<Estuary> either way, Bush is the putz.
<RustyFord> they were in competition with each other for funding
<RustyFord> and influence
<Estuary> its a nice try to shift blame onto the devilish french who've apparently fooled us into the war.
<DStewart> Kook, there are limitations on how they can work together. Some of those were eliminated or altered in the intel reform act that resulted from the Sept. 11 commission investigations.
<Herzen> You know, #politics is a really interesting experience if you aren't used to talking about politics with uneducated people (post-secondary education)
<Estuary> its a nice story.
<KoooK> I don't think the CIA share info with the FBI today. unless it's a matter directly related to domestic security
<RustyFord> Dstewart in facT!!!!
<Herzen> This channel is the only place i've really discussed politics, where a group of people can take a group of facts and come to completely incorrect conclusions
<KoBushi> Herzen and if you are then it isn't interesting?
<RustyFord> the lady Gorelick who was on the 9/11 commission was one of the sponsors to ensure that the FBI didn't share information with the CIA
<ImaBadBoy> hmmmmmmmmm ... Able Danger comes to mind
<Lupine> Herzen: welcome to IRC
<rond> I understood the reason information wasn't shared was basically due to federal laws on a quite a few things that the patriot act changed
<suna> that's one of the problems with text-"debate"
<KoooK> I don't think the CIA tell the FBI that they work with French intelligence service to drop a bomb on a terrorist in Yemen (2002)
<suna> people don't read everything
<RustyFord> Bob Kerry the senator helped it p*** the senate
<Lupine> Herzen: most people have a personal political agenda.. and then pick and choose the "facts" that support them.
<Herzen> For instance: Bush said WMDs were in Iraq, We didn't find any WMDs in Iraq, Conclusion: Russian special ops came in and stole them.
<suna> when people are talking, the sounds enter your ears whether you want them to or not
<suna> on irc people twist what you say into what they wish you said
<Estuary> Herzen - hhaha no kidding.
<suna> a lot more so than i find in real life
<RustyFord> not John Kerry
<RustyFord> Bob Kerry
<RustyFord> Bob Kerry is the war criminal
<RustyFord> john Kerry isn't
<[piker]> you sure?
<RustyFord> yeap
<JanetB> yes john kerry is, he said he was
<RustyFord> nope
<Abydos313> both are
<ImaBadBoy> John Kerry is worse
<JanetB> he said he killed innocent women and children and lighted there villiages on fire
<RustyFord> he said that vietnam soldiers just like him commited war crimes
<JanetB> he shot a boy in the back
<RustyFord> nope
<JanetB> yup
<RustyFord> wrong guy
<Herzen> I don't think John Kerry's 'admission' as JanetB put it, woudl stand up in a criminal court
<Estuary> no matter, its great politics!
<Lupine> John Kerry also admitted he did nothing to stop the atrocities he witnessed, even thou he was "in command"
<RustyFord> Bob Kerry leveled a whole village
<Estuary> John Kerry isn't a war hero, he's a war CRIMINAL!
<RustyFord> him and his buddies
<ImaBadBoy> Hangem
<DStewart> Estuary, you might actually want to check the chronology.
<Herzen> I dont' think John Kerry is a war hero
<RustyFord> in my mind he should be held accountable
<Herzen> particularily
<RustyFord> herzen nope
<Herzen> Infact I think its irrelevant
<suna> isn't it funny the difference between war hero and war criminal?
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