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<suna> isn't it funny the difference between war hero and war criminal?
<Estuary> best to take the neutral bush position and not bother yourself with the war at all. especially when there's booze to be drunk.
<Herzen> I think he was a damn piss poor presidential candidate though
<suna> depending on which innocent person you kill
<RustyFord> I don't think he is either nothign he did warrants a citation
<suna> the title changes;P
<DStewart> The claim had been made by the British, BEFORE the delivery of the documents.
<TimothyW> Bob Kerrey lost part of his leg in the Vietnam War.
<DStewart> That is what prior claims had been based on. For example: "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources--something that is not that difficult in the current world."
<RustyFord> Tim so did lots of people
<KoBushi> I'm eating some candy called "Strawberry Dreams" ... it's pretty good
<RustyFord> hell some people lost all their limbs
<suna> that just reminded me of 'johnny got his gun'
<RustyFord> and they still move on that doesn't make it any better or worse
<TimothyW> Bob Kerrey doesn't talk about his war service much.
<DStewart> And ""We also have intelligence that Iraq has sought large amounts of uranium and uranium oxide, known as yellowcake, from Africa."
<suna> would have been an excellent film if it were 7 minutes long
<RustyFord> Timy???
<suna> ;p
<RustyFord> he WROTE a book!
<RustyFord> what was it?
<TimothyW> RustyFord : yes but he doesn't talk about it like the way John Kerry did.
<RustyFord> "the Fog of War"?
<DStewart> Lupine, I have serious doubts that Kerry witnessed the atrocities he claimed to have witnessed.
<RustyFord> i think it was?
<KoBushi> Isn't it strange how almost every element on the periodic table bonds to oxygen readily?
<Lupine> DS: if he didn't, he's still guilty as sin. IMHO
<RustyFord> i want to read it if i see it in the library i will
<DStewart> I don't think he failed to report them. I think he reported, later, things he didn't witness.
<KoBushi> the only one I can think of off the top of my head that won't is helium
<DStewart> Certainly didn't take part in.
<RustyFord> I know this
<RustyFord> Kerry saved some of his buddies lives
<KoBushi> what else won't bond with oxygen naturally?
<RustyFord> I believe that Kerry did what tons of other service men did
<KoBushi> neon perhaps?
<RustyFord> but somehow he got "decorated"
<ImaBadBoy> smoked dope and shot gooks?
<RustyFord> and they didn't
<Lupine> RF: the difference is.. those other men were not braggarts
<ImaBadBoy> no one else had their video cameras so they could film their "brave" actions
<RustyFord> I lost respect for John Kerry ultimately when he stood up there like a ****ing idiot
<CometBaby> rusty .. they said that Kerry planned his march onto that island. He had a photographers crew there to film him. I suspect a lot of what kerry did was designed to create a background that he was a hero.
<Estuary> haha
<RustyFord> and said "reporting for duty"
<RustyFord> that killed it
<RustyFord> i was like WHAT?!?!?!?"
<Lupine> RF: I knew a man who earned the silverstar with clusters, in TWO different wars. He never talked about what he did. He always talked about what his buddies did.
<suna> i lost respect for him when he backed out of the election a couple hours after edwards went on national tv swearing that he would not
<Estuary> ImaBadBoy - yeah, video huh? kerry was using as-yet uninvented technology. that bastard.
<RustyFord> Lupine i know a guy who never won nothing
<ImaBadBoy> hahaha
<suna> not that i ever really had respect for him
<TimothyW> I like Bob Kerrey over John Kerry cause Bob Kerrey has real points behind him.
<RustyFord> who refuses to talk about it
<ImaBadBoy> semantics
<RustyFord> heh
<Pickle> Wheee, phone companies are planning on blocking VOIP calls.
<suna> don't get the wrong idea, i am NOT a republican, i just didn't like kerry
<RustyFord> no metals no stars
<suna> still voted for the cockburglar though
<suna> ;p
<RustyFord> his mother told me about it
<Estuary> imabadboy - it illustrates a point. you don't know what you're talking about.
<RustyFord> at 85 years old
<CometBaby> Estuary .. its not what he used. You miss the point. Let me spell it out for you .. it was staged.
<DStewart> Pickle,that means the quality of VOIP connections will deteriorate about 5%.
<RustyFord> and i looked at my friend with a whole new respect
<RustyFord> he never talked about it
<KoBushi> Pickle hum, sounds like an easy victory for a case of abusing monopoly power
<JanetB> CometBaby, Estuary ALWAYS misses the point
<RustyFord> and then one day he told me some of the **** he went through and i dropped my jaw
<Lupine> RF: Yep. Real heroe's do not posture for the cameras, showing off medals and ****
<Estuary> cometbaby - staged huh? which part of the footage of him shows him mowing down a buncha commie NVA trying to save his buddies ?
<RustyFord> i was like woah...
<CometBaby> janet .. heh
<RustyFord> Lupine he got kicked out!!!
<RustyFord> know what he did?
<JanetB> not much use in even talking to him, if you ask me :)
<Pickle> DStewart: True, in the US all they can do is introduce jitter
<Estuary> i suppose the photographs and footage of john kennedy in his WW2 service are also 'staged'
<RustyFord> hahaha he got drunk and stoned and rolled a truck with gasolone on it
<Nikie> rusty, u're still here?
<Nikie> HAHHAHA
<Nikie> omg
<Estuary> or that all the soldiers in iraq who use video equipment are planning presidential campains.
<RustyFord> they booted him out instantly after 2 months in the brig
<Nikie> u were here since 6a.m
<Lupine> nikie: he has no life.. of course he's here!
<DStewart> Are they recreating events to star themselves?
<KoBushi> Pickle it'd be more effective if they just blocked random calls; I think that would frustrate users faster
<Nikie> hehehe
<Nikie> hay lupine
<Nikie> whats up people
<DStewart> KoBushi LOL
<RustyFord> Lupine but the **** he saw before that....
<KoooK> check out iraqisluts.wmv it's great
<RustyFord> was worth it
<DStewart> KoBushi, hey... mayb ethat's what's been happening!
<RustyFord> thats what he said
<JanetB> oh my gosh.. Kerry talked of nothing else in college, but becomming president! but lets ignore what anyone else that knew him says
<Lupine> KoB: or, a random time to drop.. so it goes thru, but then drops
<RustyFord> he said "no way, i couldn't take the **** anymore"
<RustyFord> and he bailed
<JanetB> forgot Kerry WAS the golden boy
<KoBushi> Lupine heh yeah, or some combination there-of
<KoBushi> so that it seems to be ****ty VoIP, rather than phone company blockage
<CometBaby> Estuary are you excusing it?
<RustyFord> but i don't blame him he was talking about friends he knew that he tried to help put their guts back into place and ****
<RustyFord> never seen war before thought it was going to be like a squirrel hunt
<JanetB> now if the voters of m***... vote hom out of office in a year, that will be the best news
<KoooK> why are people talking about kerry
<RustyFord> made friends with people
<KoBushi> KoooK I have no idea
<RustyFord> and they died
<RustyFord> he wanted out.....
<Estuary> JanetB - yep, and contrast that to George Bush, the reluctant president, called upon by country, and indeed God to serve his people and lead us to the promised land.
<RustyFord> hehhe wahts funny was his mom loves me
<JanetB> balh blah blah
<Estuary> Cometbaby - excusing what? do you think John Kerry was the only guy in vietnam with a 16mm film camera?
<RustyFord> =) anytime i see her she is 92 years old now
<RustyFord> she is always you are such a good boy!
<RustyFord> and she slaps me in the face in that gentle way
<RustyFord> yah know like a "tap tap tap"
<Estuary> i'd hardly say that footage of kerry slogging throught the jungle or sitting around looking bored were "staged" to launch his presidential campain decades later
<RustyFord> check this out?
<KoBushi> KoooK at least I'm talking about useless stuff that has meaning... like candy and refrigeration compressors.. not washed up politicians
<RustyFord> her husband back in WW2
<KoBushi> :P
<Estuary> but you're entitled to that belief. indeed it suits your preconceptions.
<KoooK> KoBushi :)
<RustyFord> he was the "Civillian "provisions" patrol
<CometBaby> If kerry was a war hero why wouldn't he release all his military records?
<RustyFord> ahh yes
<CometBaby> He asked Bush to do it .. and Bush did. Then Kerry refused.
<CometBaby> what is he hiding?
<RustyFord> te Civilian Ration patrol
<RustyFord> CRP!
<Swigert> CB: because while he might be a war hero, he's a bad politician
<CometBaby> and he didn't want us to remember how he defended clintons draft doging
<RustyFord> anyway they would actually patrol around the neighborhood to make sure people weren't wasting stuff
<CometBaby> or that he voted against the miliary EVERY chance he got
<Estuary> haha
<Estuary> "voted against the military"
<RustyFord> Comet imagine that?
<RustyFord> i come to your house...
<CometBaby> funding for the military estuary .. you find that funny?
<RustyFord> "Uhhmmm ma'am
<RustyFord> You are wasting electricity!
<RustyFord> they actually had **** like that in certain places
<RustyFord> my friends father though said that he wasn't a hard ***
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