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<Lithium-> oh and then lie about it
<Hangfire> and then there's the whole delay thing
<Lithium-> "Russert told me"
<Lithium-> <Russert> um, did not
<tortus> that is because there is no initial crime. the only crimes now will be obstruction of justice
<Lithium-> tortus: that and/or perjury
<Hangfire> what about leaking cl***ified info?
<tortus> they are going to be martha'd
<fkae> hangfire interesting
<Lithium-> tortus: plus we dont know what else fitzgerald stumbled upon
<Lithium-> Hangfire: that one is hard to prove
<Hangfire> fkae but you understand the economics that I'm pointing at?
<Hangfire> if you don't I'll be happy to explain my views in pm
<tortus> plame was out. she had to have been in a covert operation within 5 years before the event. she was not
<Lithium-> rove and libby got caught covering up a non-crime
<tortus> lithium: maybe. if there is an indictment, that will be the charge
<Lithium-> and looks like managed to perjure themselves in the process
<Hangfire> and the whole DeLay issue?
<Hangfire> I'm suprised it's received such short shrift
<Lithium-> delay looks guilty as all hell
<Lithium-> but he might get off on a technicality or something
<Lithium-> i mean what he did was pretty damn obvious
<Lithium-> it just might not be obvious beyond a reasonable doubt
<Lithium-> i'd give him a 60% chance of conviction
<Lithium-> anyone want 3-2 odds?
<Hangfire> they've requested a new judge?
<Lithium-> yea, apparently a democrat judge cant try a republican
<tortus> people on both sides of the fight will fall
<Hangfire> Outside the courtroom, prosecutor Earle spoke dismissively of DeLay's efforts to get Perkins to step aside. Judges in Texas must run for election and DeLay's lawyers filed a motion Thursday identifying 34 donations Perkins had made.
<Hangfire> ``What this means is if a judge had contributed to Crime Stoppers that judge could not hear a burglary case,'' said Earle. ``Carried to its extreme, that is what I think this motion means and I think that's absurd.''
<Hangfire> lol
<tortus> you swim with the big fish, you get bit
<Lithium-> who is supposed to change the judge if the judge refuses to recuse himself?
<Lithium-> state supreme court?
<Hangfire> state administrative judge
<Hangfire> that is what it says in this article anyway
<Lithium-> this will set a really bad precedent if the judge gets changed
<Lithium-> and especially if the change of venue motion isnt denied
<fkae> yeah, whats up with the new judge as seconded by dubya
<fkae> whats about to change?
<Lithium-> hwaa?
<fkae> just wondering why he seconded some woman with from what i heard no previous experience
<fkae> as a supreme judge
<Lithium-> he didnt second her, he firsted her
<tortus> he doesn't second her
<tortus> right
<Lithium-> he might've slept with the ugly *****, who knows
<Hangfire> she's his personal lawyer isn't she?
<Hangfire> I mean sorry guys
<Hangfire> there's cronyism and that's just silly
<Hangfire> or she was or something?
<Lithium-> um
<fkae> yeah i thought she would be somewhat close to him one way or another, just wonder what is pending
<Lithium-> head of the texas lottery comission lol
<Lithium-> thats experience right there
<Hangfire> LOL
<fkae> haha
<fkae> you mean the deathrow review board/ :D
<Hangfire> what's her name again?
<Lithium-> Miers
<Lithium-> Harriet
<Lithium-> yea bush dug himself a pretty deep hole
<Lithium-> and rove might not be around to get him out
<Hangfire> I hear even conservatives are out for his blood on this one
<Hangfire> I mean it's blatant cronyism no?
<Lithium-> well no ****
<Hangfire> what would you call this?
<Hangfire> it's not nepotism
<fkae> seems like it
<fkae> but i think the real reason is because he has some changes up his sleeve
<fkae> which she will help him effect
<fkae> and i wonder what those may be
<Lithium-> Her most famous written opinion is "you're the best governor ever"
<Lithium-> well, first off i think its total bull**** that bush doesnt know her opinions on roe vs wade
<Hangfire> Charles Schumer, a New York Democrat, reported that during his visit, Ms Miers had deferred answers to many of his questions, saying, "I need to sort of bone up on this a little more."
<Lithium-> she's his personal lawyer for christs sake
<Hangfire> oh gawd
<Hangfire> http://news.ft.com/cms/s/4fde112c-4299-11da-94c2-00000e2511c8.html
<Hangfire> and this is from the FT
<Lithium-> you talk about this kinda **** with people who you know for 10+ years
<Hangfire> a source I trust implicitly for their reporting
<Hangfire> this is nuts
<Hangfire> first there was the FEMA director
<Nemes> ahhhhhh!!! bird flu is in the uk
<Hangfire> and now this?
<Nemes> lol
<Lithium-> vultures are circling around the white house
<Hangfire> jesus
<Hangfire> didn't they learn?
<fkae> jeez lol thats a funny article
<Lithium-> its funny to compare brown's testimony to the rest of the people testifying
<Lithium-> chertoff and the FEMA head in NO
<Hangfire> Lithium- I hear half of the people in FEMA are preparing the parties as we speak
<Lithium-> <brown> wasnt my fault, blame nagin/blanco
<Hangfire> and the gutting knives
<Rockfish> What is this? About the 300th time liberals have thought "this time we've got Bush, he's going down"
<Lithium-> <everyone else> uh, it was brown's fault
<Hangfire> I'm not even american
<fkae> lol Rockfish
<Hangfire> I'm just a political/economics watcher
<Hangfire> I'm just laughing at all the infighting going on
<Lithium-> Rockfish: this time looks the most promissing :p
<Hangfire> and thinking that the miers thing is a bit in bad taste
<Rockfish> Lithium, about the 300th time we've heard that too
<Lithium-> Rockfish: so you think bush will get out of this and be able to continue his adgenda?
<Hangfire> Rockfish appointing a lawyer who's never had any experience of being a judge to the SC?
<Hangfire> even the republicans are pissed about that one
<fkae> if he gets the numbers
<Lithium-> Rockfish: still hoping for his social security plans to materialize?
<fkae> he will get away with it
<fkae> and i somewhat think he will
<Rockfish> Hangfire, it's common, Rehnquist had never been a judge either
<Lithium-> fkae: 39% approval rating currently, he's far from having numbers
<fkae> yes, thats him, but the public has no vote on the SC appointment
<Lithium-> Rockfish: what kind of experience did rehnquist have with the constitutional matters?
<Rockfish> His social security plan was never going to p***
<Lithium-> Rockfish: is that why he brought it up?
<fkae> more cronyism and he will be all good again
<fkae> something else will come up to swing the public opinion
<Rockfish> Lithium, what kind of experience had John Marshall had with constitutional matters?
<Lithium-> fkae: with the low poll numbers, the democrats can easily get away with fillibustering miers
<Rockfish> Lithium, you're hilarious
<Rockfish> And there's only one L in filibuster
<fkae> Lithium- right, i am not 100% sure of the process but I would imagine if he could get enough backing in congress (ala like our Parliament here) then he would get away with it
<Lithium-> Rockfish: During this period he was politically active in Virginia and served in the House of Delegates (1782-1790, 1795-1796). He became a leader of the Federalist party in that state and started his long-time politically rivalry with Thomas Jefferson who had fallen out with the Virginia Federalists.
<Lithium-> It was during his service in the House of Delegates that he participated in the Virginia Convention debates about the adoption of the Constitution.
<Lithium-> Rockfish: THAT experience
<Lithium-> :P
<Rockfish> So he was a state legislator? Yeah, that's a lot more experience than being White House counsel
<fkae> now now lets not get sidetracked here :D
<Lithium-> Rockfish: well, yes. he actually debated the constitution
<Lithium-> i would call that experience
<Lithium-> and why bring up someone from 200 years ago lol
<Lithium-> how many people at that time could have possibly had experience with constitutional matters?
<fkae> anyway
<Lithium-> you gotta love right wing talking points
<Rockfish> Because he is considered one of the great justices of all time and had very little experience with constitutional law
<fkae> i still think the bigger issue is
<fkae> why
<fkae> ie what will be the result
<fkae> not how it happened
<fkae> because it has
<fkae> :D
<fkae> already
<Lithium-> well the miers nomination might not even get out of the judiciary commitee
<Rockfish> If it doesn't Bush will just appoint someone even better, way to go
<fkae> aha, so she isnt quite there yet eh
<Lithium-> Rockfish: isnt that the point?
<Lithium-> lol
<Lithium-> Rockfish: or by "better" do you mean more conservative?
<fkae> aha
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