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<RustyFord> my friends father though said that he wasn't a hard ***
<RustyFord> anything you could "donate"
<Estuary> hilarious, in fact.
<RustyFord> was good
<RustyFord> instead of gas or coal, buy stuff for our GI's instaed of a barbeque
<CometBaby> or that he voted against intelligence funding
<RustyFord> try to find other means to cook
<Estuary> cuz we all know any bill nebulously regarding military/defense spending is SACROSANCT
<RustyFord> have your BBQ
<CometBaby> or that he voted against funding our soldiers in iraq
<RustyFord> but use the money to buy our GI's something!
<CometBaby> a real military man huh?
<RustyFord> know what i mean?
<RustyFord> nope
<RustyFord> his wife was a military nurse
<Estuary> haha
<RustyFord> he never seen the military in his life
<Estuary> yeah he "voted against them"
<JanetB> yes he did
<RustyFord> nope
<RustyFord> he was too young for ww1
<RustyFord> and too old for ww2
<RustyFord> =)
<JanetB> RustyFord.. what are you talking about?
<RustyFord> my friend who was in vietnam
<RustyFord> and his parents
<JanetB> RustyFord.. oh
<RustyFord> his mom?
<RustyFord> she was a combat nurse in WW2
<RustyFord> =))
<Estuary> JanetB - yeah because John Kerry hates soldiers
<JanetB> well, I am gonna go lay down...
<RustyFord> and wicked wicked good looking
<RustyFord> i seen her pictures in a bathing suit hehehhe
<RustyFord> her husband showed me them before he died
<JanetB> Estuary... he does hate all things military... and anything that will protect this country, yes he does
<Estuary> JanetB and when congress introduced a bill that said do you support the troops, john kerry voted "no!"
<Estuary> haha
<JanetB> nad his voting record shows that clearly
<RustyFord> Janet?
<RustyFord> this lady was awesome don't leave yet
<JanetB> RustyFord.. I have the flu
<RustyFord> she went nuts finally
<JanetB> I am leaving
<RustyFord> but...
<RustyFord> she always would say "You are Rusty!"
<JanetB> thats sweet.. :)
<RustyFord> and she would smack me in the face
<JanetB> now I am going to sleep :D
<RustyFord> not hard yah know
<Estuary> JanetB - oh yeah he just hates all things military, including max cleland, fellow vietnam vet.
<Estuary> just hates'em
<RustyFord> just put her hands up and tap tap tap
<rond> Mannnnn that is some excellent potatoe soup...picked a great wife
<RustyFord> she was cool as hell
<Swigert> I'm watching "Kingdom of Heaven"
<RustyFord> she used to make the most delicious awesomest italian spinach caserole
<RustyFord> ohhh my god
<hans_kung> Hmm: Bush Administration cuts $1.5 billion from military family housing. sourc: Army Times, June 30, 2003/
<RustyFord> this stuff rocked
<Estuary> JanetB - and since each and every military spending measure is beyond criticism or scrutiny, John Kerry's arrogance to QUESTION what its for is appauling. simply appauling. he basically wants to DESTROY the military.
<hans_kung> Bush Administration underfunded veterans' health care by $2 billion. Source: U.S. Department of Veterans' Affairs, September 2002
<Estuary> hans_kung - those are inconvenient details!! quit distracting us!
<hans_kung> Bush Administration opposed plan to give National Guard and Reserve Members access to health insurance. Source: Gannett News Service.
<RustyFord> its would be the big giant leaves of collards, wrap it around sausage with cheese mixed in, and you start with spinach then work your way out to collards
<RustyFord> so that you geta layer
<TimothyW> hans_kung : that's because he was preparing for the Brac.
<RustyFord> kind of like a sushi roll
<hans_kung> Bush Administration cuts $172 million allotted for educating the children of military personnel. Source: Washington Post, June 17, 2003.
<RustyFord> but its italian
<Estuary> Hans_kung - that's excusable, because obviously kerry would've done worse, i'm sure of it!!
<RustyFord> everything is big in italian hehhe
<Estuary> Hans_kung - "no such thing as a free ride"
<Estuary> what else ya got ?
<RustyFord> kinda like cabage rolls
<RustyFord> but better
<RustyFord> not so sloppy
<hans_kung> Everyone talks about how Clinton "cut" intelligence money, thing is: GOP wanted the FBI budget slashed another 25 BILLION for FY 1999. Something that always is forgotten.
<hans_kung> <G>.
<TimothyW> hans_kung : what did the Congress actions ?
<TimothyW> grr
<RustyFord> hansKung you miss the point
<RustyFord> he put the money into the FBI
<TimothyW> hans_kung : what did the Congress do ?
<RustyFord> the senate then put the FBI under intelligence
<RustyFord> get it?
<RustyFord> duh!
<KoBushi> mmm candy
<RustyFord> the majority of cia's duties under the clinton adminstration was considered a "Law enforcement issue"
<Estuary> hans_kung - look. it was ALL clinton. he got whatever he wanted. the republican-controlled congress bears no responsibility for Clinton's total destruction of the military.
<hans_kung> No Rusty, you don't get it.
<RustyFord> that is exactly what he said after the first WTC bombing
<KoBushi> neither of you get it! mwahahaha
<hans_kung> GOP wanted the FBI budge slashed by another 20 billion :)
<KoBushi> :P
<hans_kung> budget
<RustyFord> hans Kung dude.......
<G>
<Estuary> i love how man republicans will decry cutting the budget of CIA, NSA, et al, yet in the next breath, put all the blame on them for intelligence failures.
<KoBushi> well talked the dealership down to $22.5k for an '06 V8 3/4ton van with tow package, cruise control, captain seats, work shelfs, and saftey cage.
<RustyFord> Intelligence services have never worked in the life of man as a LAW ENFORCEMENT
<Estuary> you really gotta question where all those billions are going.
<RustyFord> unless it was a way to control the m***es
<KoBushi> Think we're probably going to take that offer
<RustyFord> CIA is a MILITARY goal
<RustyFord> it is not a CIVILLIAN goal
<RustyFord> you only send out the CIA when you are ready to **** someone the hell up
<RustyFord> get it?
<Estuary> now, if only gas will stay below $2.50
<Estuary> HAH
<RustyFord> they shouldn't be backing up the FBI
<CometBaby> I don't put all the blame on them. Wasn't it Jamie Garlicke (sp) who fixed it so that the CIA and the FBI could NOT share information? And wasn't she clinton's appointee? Do you wonder why this was never delved into by the 9/11 commission? Because she was on it.
<Estuary> Brak55 - who do you thinks gonna wind up indicted next week ?
<KoBushi> I always wondered why the NSA exists seperately from the CIA... they are basically just the techno branch of the CIA; really no need to double intelligence efforts they should be brought under one roof.
<DStewart> Comet, it wasn't Goerlick who fixed it; that started in the '70s with the Church investigations and resultant legislation.
<CometBaby> Estuary .. gas will continue to rise. Do you know why?
<DStewart> But Goerlick did increase it and put disincentives to sharing in place.
<Estuary> CometBaby - yep, she "fixed it." single-handedly. that woman wanted to put a veritable WALL between our intelligence agencies so that they coudln't stop terrorism, by god.
<RustyFord> Kobshi the NSA exists because of some stupid prime directive
<KoBushi> CometBaby she had enough sway with the rest of the commission to have them ignore her errors?
<RustyFord> Kobshi i think it falls under the National Security Act=))
<Estuary> CometBaby - yes, i think i do. but i'm interested in your reasoning.
<RustyFord> hehhe
<RustyFord> 1973
<CometBaby> Estuary I will tell you. But I asked the question first.
<RustyFord> pretty sure
<Brak55> Estuary: Are they indicting next week in the CIA leak?
<KoBushi> RustyFord yeah I think that's right... but why a whole seperate branch organization? That seems wasteful
<Estuary> CometBaby - yes, i believe i have a good idea.
<Estuary> brak55 - most probably.
<CometBaby> that's your answer?
<Estuary> CometBaby - do you want my full thesis?
<CometBaby> one or two sentences will do.
<DStewart> Estuary, wow. A moderately impressive display of sarcasm. But Goerlick DID put policy inplace to prevent intell sharing. And Comet didn't say it was in order to prevent the intel agencies from stopping terrorism, did she.
<TimothyW> RustyFord : http://www.cia.gov/cia/information/eo12333.html
<RustyFord> Kobushi because the american government realised that because of information that was viable and truthful would be released to the public because of certain technologies that were developed
<RustyFord> like "open mike night at the nixon house!"
<RustyFord> =)
<CometBaby> Ok Estuary .. you can stop searching on the web now for an answer.
<Estuary> CometBaby - the primary driving factor is the rapid depletion of the world's "easy" petroleum resouces, leading to a peak where production can not longer increase, while overall demand begins to outstrip it. our worldwide system is damn near running at capaicty. this fundamental causation combined with several other factors is pushing it higher.
<CometBaby> lol
<CometBaby> one word
<CometBaby> shortages would do
<CometBaby> hahaha
<Estuary> "shortages"
<RustyFord> people think of george washington as some god
<RustyFord> he was human
<Estuary> that's the most naive thing i've heard. and this is IRC.
<RustyFord> i bet he said "**** IT!"
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