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<RustyFord> i bet he said "**** IT!"
<Estuary> WELP LETS JUST PUMP MORE.
<Estuary> "shortages"
<RustyFord> I bet he said you guys are so stupid i don't want to be dictator
<Estuary> you don't seem to grasp what a "shortage" of the world's most valued energy source means.
<RustyFord> so **** you
<CometBaby> now, since there are shortages, this is a great time for us to start some offshore drilling, build more nuclear plants, more wind farms, build new refineries .. and investigate other alternative supplies.
<tehdave> damn.
<RustyFord> I oculd see george saying that
<Estuary> yeah, great time!
<CometBaby> some NEW offshore drilling
<KoBushi> CometBaby really a great time for that would have been 25 years ago
<KoBushi> CometBaby now it's a little more urgent than "a great time" :)
<Estuary> yeah i mean, why not, the offshore could possibly allow us to produce 1 barrel for every 3 we consume, rather than just for ever 4.
<Estuary> brilliant.
<Brak55> Rusty: Yeah, but with the damned wooden teeth, it probably sounded like "Fuh hit!"
<CometBaby> kobushi .. well we should have been doing it all along .. but envirowackos don't want to do anything to correct the problem .. they just want to ***** that it exists.
<RustyFord> hahahahhaha brak
<KoBushi> Estuary the US provides roughly 50% of it's own oil.
<RustyFord> that was good
<Estuary> CometBAby - KoBushi is exactly right. its way past "a good time"
<RustyFord> hahahhah
<KoBushi> Estuary that's not 1 out of every 4
<Estuary> kobushi - indeed. and as an oil province, its been in irreversible decline for 35 years.
<CometBaby> Kobushi .. what makes this a *great* time .. is with the prices going so high .. I think that our senators might just byp*** some of these envirowacko restrictions that have been stopping us.
<Estuary> hah
<RustyFord> i mean come on, the guy wrote in his journal, the labors in my house are hard, so i go out side to sample the good weed"
<Estuary> CometBAby - oh you mean like how bush exempted his brother's state from offshore drilling contracts?
<RustyFord> hahaha
<RustyFord> he was talking about his wife!
<Estuary> cuz floridians don't like the idea of oil rigs off their coast?
<Estuary> that envirowacko!
<Estuary> lets get him out of office, immediately.
<KoBushi> CometBaby I think that wind generation should be allowed to be put in place w/o public approval in an area... isn't no more of an "eye sore" than the current sky lines nationwide already are.
<RustyFord> he speaks of one field of good pipe tobacco
<RustyFord> hehehe and it weren't no tobacco
<RustyFord> america is so uptight about ****
<Estuary> CometBaby - the US' energy problems are so dire that i don't think you have any idea.
<CometBaby> Estuary .. well, since you agree it is way past time, then I ***ume you would support all the things necessary to fix these shortages, like new offshore drilling, new nuclear plants, new wind farms, more refineries, developing usuable alternatives ?
<RustyFord> they are being wound like a propellor
<KoBushi> Heating prices are expected to increase by an average of 2x this winter I heard on Bloomberg
<Estuary> CometBaby - offshore drilling is a m***ive waste of resources.
<RustyFord> serious
<CometBaby> lol
<Brak55> Estuary: ...and almost nobody wants a wind farm in their backyard either but, you know what? We're either going to need to start saying "Too damn bad" to some of these groups and just put up the white flag.
<hans_kung> too bad the Republican's didn't support all that stuff you just listed CometBaby, in the bill that was p***ed 3 weeks ago.
<TimothyW> Estuary : you argue we are running out of Oil then you damn us for not drilling?
<Estuary> hans-kung - great point.
<hans_kung> All they voted for were subsidies to the oil industry. When they have profits at all time highs.
<RustyFord> all of a sudden the entire bush administration ****s because the media says 30 of the people they polled like him?
<RustyFord> hahaha
<hans_kung> er well oil prices at all time highs.
<Estuary> Brak55 - the "NIMBY" people aren't just liberal environmentalists. many are government-hating conservatives who think their suburban view of the mountains or the lake is a birthrite.
<RustyFord> I back him
<RustyFord> i voted for him i back him
<RustyFord> just like i did clinton until he lied
<hans_kung> 25 Republicans even broke ranks on the House vote, citing lack of funding for alternative energy development as reasons they voted against the Oil Company Welfare Bill.
<RustyFord> Bush hasn't done alot of things i agree with
<KoBushi> I think every other power pole on the outter banks of NC needs a wind generator on it
<RustyFord> I was hopeing for a more decisive president
<CometBaby> hans I am not familiar with this bill that would approve more offshore drilling, new nuclear plants, more wind farms, new refineries etc.
<Brak55> Estuary: Absolutely. I was just going to say to hans_kung that Reps and Dems aren't all that different. They are all in the back pocket of oil companies and all the groups that want to complain but don't want their lifestyles changed to fix it.
<RustyFord> i wanted to see him take out the biggest problems in iran
<Estuary> KoBushi - i agree that if the US' energy woes are to be mitigated, its going to take drastic measures.
<CometBaby> exactly which bill was that?
<RustyFord> i wanted to see him take out Syria
<hans_kung> CometBaby, the bill was the one that p***ed by a single vote in the House about 2 or 3 weeks ago.
<RustyFord> get it over with
<Estuary> CometBaby - the ENERGY BILL that was central focus for the legislature a few weeks ago
<ImaBadBoy> neutron bomb
<DStewart> hanskung, the bill that p***ed three weeks ago, (two), p***ed by two votes, and was a single-focus bill.
<DStewart> It was a REFINERY bill, not an ENERGY bill.
<RustyFord> its not a matter of invasion its a matter of kicking some fugging ***...
<RustyFord> and not running
<KoBushi> further tax incentives should be offered for the purchase of both new and used vehicles that get over 45mpg by highway or city.
<RustyFord> we will leave when we want
<Estuary> excuse me, but it deals directly with energy.
<DStewart> The larger Energy bill p***ed the house in April.
<hans_kung> DStewart: heh, yah? Republicans also voted against it, along with every single Democrat in the House. Rare when you get that kind of agreement, even in these partisan times :).
<DStewart> Estuary, so what is the surprise when a bill on refinery expansion doesn't include provisions on nuclear power, wind energy, and theh rest?
<CometBaby> I am searching on the net and I am not finding such a bill hans
<DStewart> Comet, it was p***ed about the end of the first week of October.
<Estuary> CometBaby - do you put any blame on George Bush for rising energy costs ?
<RustyFord> i'd rather have iran asa "friendly enemy" than a straight out enemy
<DStewart> Blame Bush? Why, he invaded Iraq FOR THE OIL.
<Estuary> dstewart - it isn't. i didn't criticize the bill for that.
<DStewart> That's going the extra mile.
<RustyFord> otherwise its going to be a bad day for everyone
<g800> how much does bush get from every galon
<CometBaby> hmm I am confused .. hans said republicans voted against it .. if that were true it would have certainly failed.
<Pickle> Yeah, Republicans and Democrats were united in rejecting a bill that didn't put vast amounts of pork into their constituents' pockets.
<DStewart> Estuary, oh, that's right. Hans Kung criticized Republicans for not supporting all those things in the bill--and you seconded him.
<hans_kung> Cometbaby, no. 25 Republicans voted against it.
<DStewart> Comet, some Republicans voted against it. However, it p***ed.
<hans_kung> Not one democrat did, it was *that bad*. It only p***ed by one or two votes.
<RustyFord> g800 how many gallons did you get today, ?
<DStewart> Having Democrats vote against it is usually a sign that it is that good.
<Estuary> haha i guess cometbaby thinks republicans are monolithic
<g800> 0
<hans_kung> Even Republicans were calling it "oil industry welfare"
<hans_kung> Hey it's history now. It p***ed.
<hans_kung> :/
<g800> i ride a bike to work
<RustyFord> g800 ohh so you don't use electricity?
<ImaBadBoy> $60.00 worth to fil up my friggin V8 GMC TRUCK!!Q!
<g800> this president has ruined me
<Estuary> CometBaby - so would you expound on the "shortages" of oil please, and what you think this amounts to ?
<KoBushi> ImaBadBoy hum, that's pretty cheap
<g800> no
<g800> i live an austere life
<hans_kung> V8?
<CometBaby> If Democrats were all voting against it .. I would bet they were also labeling it an environmental catastrophe
<RustyFord> heh
<KoBushi> IamKing ~$89 for our service vans
<CometBaby> estuary .. high prices
<ImaBadBoy> larger tanks
<Estuary> CometBaby - hahaha that's inverted logic.
<CometBaby> oh .. shortages do not result in high prices?
<Estuary> Cometbaby - what's causing the shortages ?
<KoBushi> IamKing and I don't even want to talk about the price to fill up the turbodiesel silverado :P
<hans_kung> Dunno CometBaby, but you mentioned 'whacks' were againt alternative fuel ideas, and it made me remember that was the very thing Republican's cited as the reason for their vote against this bill. It did NOTHING to help remove the US dependence on fossil fuels.
<ImaBadBoy> last week it was $75.. so i guess it's good news... gas prices are going down
<CometBaby> [05:24] <+Estuary> CometBaby - so would you expound on the "shortages" of oil please, and what you think this amounts to ?
<ImaBadBoy> THANKS.. GW
<CometBaby> my answer .. high prices
<CometBaby> you want a different answer? Ask a different question
<DStewart> The "energy bill," the one that did p*** in April, included nuclear, wind, oil development, and the rest of the things hanskung said weren't included in the October refinery expansion bill.
<Estuary> okay beyond how it inconveniences you or i, what do you think it MEANS for the world ?
<CometBaby> high prices
<Estuary> hah okay then
<DStewart> So how good a point is it to say that Republicans didn't support them in a refinery bill, when they had supported them in a more encomp***ing energy bill?
<Estuary> i guess that answer will have to suffice.
<KoBushi> DStewart that first bill doesn't seem to have ben very effective at doing anything though... otherwise why a need for a refinery bill? :P
<TimothyW-> Estuary : you argue we are running out of Oil then you damn us for not drilling?
<Estuary> CometBAby - do you see how this fundamental change disrupts things in profound ways ?
<CometBaby> estuary .. lol.
<DStewart> KoBushi, the refinery bill was in response to an emergent need as a result of Katrina.
<Estuary> timothyW - i never said "running out" i said peaking.
<Estuary> the world will have some amount of oil for decades. its not just about quantity.
<KoBushi> DStewart I see
<hans_kung> IF local residents of an area opposed an oil refinery being built in their area, this bill p***ed, allows the oil industry to sue the residents for all legal costs. How's that to stiffle any potential actions from concerned citizens?
<KoBushi> Estuary they recently found a way to get 7 more gallons of fuel out of each barrel of crude
<TimothyW-> Estuary : all the Oil one day will be in our graveyards.
<Estuary> its a m***ive waste of money to dump into refineries, which just puts more capital into an inherently dying industry.
<hans_kung> What's the term lawyers use...you threaten your opponent with high legal bills to prevent court action....
<KoBushi> Also, are perfecting a new method to remove efficiently oil from sand
<DStewart> hanskung, do they own all the land that the refinery would be developed on?
<Estuary> hans_kung - highballing ?
<hans_kung> who is "they"?
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