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<RustyFord> a little to sweet for me
<Herzen> there is*
<occ2> im a fan
<suna> nothing is wrong with being pro-life or pro-choice
<suna> as long as you don't pretend to believe exterems in either catagory
<suna> which i don't think anybody does
<occ2> busch is pretty similar to bud
<unfounded> yeah
<occ2> bud cheaper and not as "strong"
<occ2> but cheaper
<occ2> rather
<unfounded> and $8 / 30pack cheaper
<RustyFord> i like a beer thats right in between being bitter and just a HINT of sweet
<YYZ> i'm only pro choise for liberal fetuses
<unfounded> yeah
<occ2> bud borders on overpriced, ill give you that
<suna> if you talk to most pro-life and pro-choiced people in a long un-heated debate, they both usually end up saying the exact same thing
<occ2> considering what the cheaper anheuser-busch stuff costs
<RustyFord> over priced????
<RustyFord> hahhaha compared to what?
<occ2> BORDERS on it
<Estuary> occ - most all of the m***-produced domestic beers ****.
<RustyFord> miller?
<RustyFord> Michelob ****s
<YYZ> the best domestic beer is Pabst
<Herzen> I don't think abortion shoudl be legal
<RustyFord> oh my god
<occ2> pabst is so overrated
<YYZ> followed by Busch
<Herzen> I think it works against national greatness
<RustyFord> my friend DIED drinking that ****
<Estuary> national greatness?
<YYZ> cheap beer I mean
<Estuary> hah
<Herzen> thats right
<occ2> the only good thing about pabst is that because hipsters latched onto it recently, there are tons of bars in NY where you can get it cheap
<occ2> otherwise, its ****ty
<RustyFord> pabst is good in a bottle or in a keg sometimes
<unfounded> PBR is overrated
<unfounded> still good though for the price
<Estuary> Herzen - curious, what is "national greatness" in your view?
<unfounded> yeah haha occ2
<occ2> schaefer is the best cheap beer
<RustyFord> i would rather have MGD
<Herzen> Theres a variety of factors
<suna> i think abortion should be legal up until a reasonable time limit in all situations (including rape and incest, they may have been abused but they STILL HAVE A TIME LIMIT).
<suna> the only exception in my mind is where child birth is dangerous to the mother
<RustyFord> hehheheh you guys ever heard of Genesee Cream Ale?
<Estuary> suna - nearly all "pro-life" people completely reject that.
<YYZ> Pabst is better than Budweiser, Miller, Coors, Keystone, or any other cheap domestic beer
<Estuary> so no, a pro-lifer woudln't ultimately come to your conclusion.
<RustyFord> my dad used to love that stuff they made this "Genny Cream Ale in a black can"
<RustyFord> ohh my god that stuff was good
<YYZ> all those other brands totally **** anyway, so why buy anything but Pabst??
<RustyFord> they don't make it like that no more=((
<unfounded> yeah genny cream ale's still around
<RustyFord> yeh in the Green can
<unfounded> drink 8 of those though
<YYZ> it's cheaper, and it's got fuller flavor, unless you're an alcholic, and can only handle light beer
<unfounded> and you'll feel like you drank 10 loaves of bread
<RustyFord> the black can was when they first came out with it
<suna> i've also had 'pro-lifers' damn near shoot themselves after i started talking about how many potential human lives a man kills by jacking off, and how even if he doesn't the exact same result will occur through nocternal emissions
<RustyFord> man that stuff was good
<YYZ> alchoholics drink light beer
<Estuary> suna - horrific.
<unfounded> alcoholics drink whatever you put in front of them
<RustyFord> YYZ drinks coors light in a can
<Lupine> suna: every hot supermodel I do not pork.. is a wasted life-potential
<YYZ> ligth beer is make for 24-pak-a-day alchoholics
<occ2> coors light is priced higher than coors original
<occ2> because they're marketed differently, heh
<unfounded> haha lupine
<unfounded> YYZ you could be right
<YYZ> just like light cigarettes are for chain smokers
<suna> taking out a fertized egg before it developes any recognizalbe human body parts...how can anybody call that murder
<suna> doesn't even have a brain yet
<unfounded> hey i smoke lights and don't chain smoke
<occ2> they think you're damning a soul to hades, suna
<occ2> some calls it hell, i calls it hades
<Herzen> I don't think abortion should be legal because for one, its yet another vehicle for personal irresponsability in society
<KoooK> redfish how's the worms
<Herzen> Get a girl knocked up, don't worry, we can just kill the child
<suna> maybe occ2
<suna> but religious beliefes should never be incroperated into law like that
<YYZ> unfounded, say you started chain smoking - do you think you'd move up to non filters, or stick w/ lights or maybe ultra lights???
<occ2> thats not really a valid argument for why it should not be legal
<Estuary> Herzen - i think its reckless and inhumane to make unwanted children a form of punishment to instill responsiblity.
<unfounded> yeah you're probably right
<RustyFord> hahahha when i was a kid...... i was the kid who all the parents wanted to kill because i would find farm work to do, and then hold parties in the farmers corn fields
<RustyFord> with HIS permission
<Estuary> occ2 - no kiddin
<unfounded> ultra lights
<unfounded> my favorite is ultra light 100s
<RustyFord> he would start a big *** bonfire
<suna> occ2: Nobody needs ot make arguments for why it should be legal, people need to make arguments for why it should be ILLEGAL
<Herzen> I think its immoral and inhumane to KILL children because their parents are irresponsible
<unfounded> like you just love the physical act of smoking
<suna> then those arguments need to be debated
<RustyFord> take everyones keys
<unfounded> if you're smoking those
<suna> you got it backwards
<tweek> Estuary: like it or not, ehh, it's ... err. it's a part of being human :)
<RustyFord> and you couldn't leave
<KoooK> i'm perfectly happy with most european countries abortion law, except poland and ireland but there it's supported by the people so np
<RustyFord> unless you were sober
<KoooK> (the ban is supported)
<Herzen> Eh, in my view abortion is pretty gross
<Estuary> herzen - well if you think a few-week old zygote is a "child" and that first-trimester abortion is "murder" then there's no real point to continuing the debate.
<KoooK> US has overall a pretty ****ty society and its abortion law the worst in the world
<Herzen> I never said murder
<KoooK> *zing*
<Herzen> Its legal, its not murder
<Estuary> Herzen - well, murder isn't defined only by its legality.
<Herzen> Yeah it really is
<IamKing> Estuary: actually, it is
<suna> who gives a rats ***, no definition wars
<TheTailor> Yes, just exterminate life if you don't want the responsibility of child rearing, young women have the *right* to **** the fleet!
<suna> if you don't like oen word use another, we have a very vast vocab
<suna> don't pretend you have some limitations that don't exist
<YYZ> Is is ok to favor abortion for only certain groups? like Jews or Liberals ??? if not, what about freedom of abortion?
<Herzen> I believe that life begins at conception
<suna> the sperm and egg are alive before they reach eachother
<Herzen> I believe this because left unhindered, the 'zygote' will indeed grow into a child
<KoooK> life begins at fertilisation
<suna> says who, you?
<KoooK> which happens 1-3 days after conception
<YYZ> if's it's ok to abort everyone, then why not just a certain group, like ethnic groups??
<suna> the cells were already alive!
<YYZ> and liberals?
<qpl> life has already begun
<US_Male> abortion killes liberal babies
<US_Male> kills
<suna> fertilization stops them from dying
<suna> for a while anyway
<Estuary> Herzen - so let me get this straight...if you don't believe its currently "murder," then what will have to change in US Law to make it such ?
<KoooK> why there are pills to stop fertilisation.
<KoooK> within usually 48-72 h
<suna> if the egg isn't fertilized, it dies....the sperm dies....each one is half a person
<suna> morning after pill does work quite well
<KoooK> suna what half is you?
<US_Male> that's right, they are haploid
<Estuary> koook - do you mean implantation ?
<YYZ> but if it's ok to abort, then it seems at least somewhat ok if we only abort certain, specificly chosen groups for abortions
<suna> the bottom half, read my nick backwards:)
<KoooK> Estuary?
<KoooK> shaddap
<KoooK> afk
<US_Male> lol
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