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<copulator> harriet miers could be pulling out
<copulator> lol
<copulator> what a crappy candidate
<IamKing> Estuary: an amendment to the US Constitution granting the same rights given to citizens BORN in the US to all living persons, including inside the womb...or for a conservative SCOTUS to reverse the asinine Roe v. Wade decision
<US_Male> I'm beginning to think Miers was a setup for the "second choice"
<Estuary> koook - conception IS fertilization.
<Herzen> I think Roe v. Wade was the right decision
<Herzen> based on the actual case
<US_Male> "second choice" will be more conservative than Miers
<Estuary> Herzen - do you think the subsequent legalization of abortion was prudent, given that case's precedent ?
<YYZ> so it must then be ok to abort only Blacks or Jews, or mostly Blacks and Jews
<Herzen> Its pretty clear that abortion rights legally speaking in context of the U.S. constitution is a state issue
<US_Male> anyway it makes a nice story
<Herzen> because teh residual powers not defined in the constitution
<Herzen> goes to the state
<Herzen> not the federal govt
<tweek> Herzen: yeah
<t0tgiglzz> usmale are you watching that show i pasted you about
<Herzen> I just think Abortion itself is wrong, but the Roe v. Wade decision was right
<Lupine> Herzen: but the case took it away from the state, and gave it to the feds
<tweek> not that that's debated... ever.
<US_Male> hey t0tgiglz! no thanks for reminding me
<IamKing> Herzen: unless said state law would infringe on federal law in some way, especially infringing upon constitutional rights
<US_Male> I will see if I can find it
<tweek> the pro-lifers and pro-choicers will continue to whine each other to death.
<Lupine> RvW made it illegal for teh states to prevent abortion, p*** regulations etc
<tweek> who cares.
<suna> agreed
<IamKing> such as the right to life unless founded guilty for a capital crime
<Estuary> IamKing - what do you think hte chances of an anti-abortion amendment are ?
<US_Male> I saw that on my other computer
<Lupine> I just think we need to return to RvW standard. RvW has been effectively overturned.
<Herzen> I think an anti-Abortion amendment in the U.S. would be low
<Herzen> almost impossible in Cnaada
<IamKing> Estuary: right now with the current asinine American culture? near impossible
<Herzen> err the changes for an anti-Abortion amendment
<Herzen> would be low
<tweek> amendments in general are almost impossible to p***
<Estuary> iamking - well i agree its impossible, but not due to cultural stupidity.
<Estuary> Herzen - have you ever read Steven Levitt's study of abortion as it relates to crime rate in the US ?
<redfish> herzen i think roe v wade was good policy i dont know if it was a right court decision. anyway i dont like decisions after roe v wade which have made abortion even more free
<IamKing> Estuary: it's a result of this culture's lack of moral character
<tweek> Estuary: the drop in crime??
<Estuary> tweek - yes.
<Lupine> red: yep, subsequent rulings virtually overturned RvW
<Herzen> Estuary, No, I don't read a lot of American studies
<Herzen> I'm not American
<Herzen> just offering my opinion on the issue
<Herzen> feel free to disagree
<tweek> oh, my mistake, I was talking to IamKing
<Lupine> Well, you do live in America :P
<suna> i just can't listen to many people talk about this issue, they're so transparent, so damn fake
<Estuary> Herzen - okay. well, its pretty fascinating, for anybody of any political stripe...i recommend his book "Freakonomics" which summarizes it nicely.
<Herzen> NHL this year is good hockey
<Herzen> fast games
<Herzen> high scoring
<TheTailor> Yeah! Yer one of us now!
<suna> the fact that you can stereotype what somebody 'believes' about this issue based on whether or not they're conservative with damn good accuracy is proof enough
<US_Male> Herzen is in teh US ??
<Herzen> I'm not in the U.S.
<Herzen> I'm in North America
<Herzen> so i'm 'American'
<US_Male> oh
<t0tgiglzz> is anyone watching off to war on discovery time channel ?
<US_Male> ok :P
<Lupine> That is what I said, you are American. well, live in America
<TheTailor> So are we!
<tweek> Herzen: what teams are up? I've been way to busy to watch any games, and my damned cap card is broken
<TheTailor> :-)
<Lupine> that throws alot of people for a loop: American=all those from Canada to Chile
<Herzen> Eastern Conference
<Herzen> Ottawa
<Herzen> Western Conference
<Herzen> Vancouver
<Estuary> t0tgiglzz - no. but i've seen it before. some of its disturbing...sending 45 year old fat dads to get in shape for the guard. haha
<occ> natl guard?
<suna> my friend is in chile right now
<suna> :P
<occ> i hear they're producing very competitive wines these days, suna
<casador> that must be messy
<YYZ> I wonder what LiBeraLs think about fixing aborting rates world wide ??? Would fixed abortion rates, say in Africa or for certain groups, like, maybe Jews or whatever be better or worse than no abortion at all?
<Estuary> YYZ - that's entitely nonsensical.
<occ> YYZ is high
<occ> on "crystal"
<YYZ> well, what's worlse to a Liberal, fixing abortions or banning them?
<Estuary> entirely, rather.
<Estuary> YYZ - another false choice.
<suna> niether one of them is ever going to happen
<suna> who cares;p
<copulator> china has the 3rd largest luxury market after japan and US?
<BlueJeans> /me dances gleefully around the channel: http://www.steelnavel.com/product.asp?ID=688&MID=88&MID2=1&O=1&SI2=1
<BlueJeans> <frisky> chromatic: http://ln-s.net/8Rp
<US_Male> t0tgiglz: I don't think I have that channel
<Estuary> thankfully liberals don't have to choose between such a ficticious dichotomy
<tweek> I wasn't aware that anyone was left that didn't have YYZ on ignore
<Estuary> tweek - hah
<YYZ> it's a perfectly legitimate question, what if in some way it's possible to have more abortions clinic in say, africa or Inda
<tweek> ln-s.net
<tweek> clever.
<Estuary> YYZ - um there ARE abortion clinics outside the US you know.
<occ> whats your question, YYZ?
<Estuary> YYZ - its not a "legitimate" question at all. its a false dichotomy that adds NOTHING to the debate.
<qpl> alaska, 10% registered dem or rep, the rest are independent
<Lupine> occ: Yep.. Chile offers good value for wines, especially cabernet/merlots/etc..
<Lupine> occ: Chilean wine are comparable to Australian 10-15years ago.. good, pleasant, and dirt cheap.
<Estuary> best wine in South America is Argentinean
<YYZ> Est, good question
<YYZ> i'm sure there are plenty
<Lupine> es: have only seen those rarely
<tweek> 'good question' - err, it was a statement.
<YYZ> the issue is, if you have more abortions you have less population
<casador> YYZ isn't in Toronto?
<suna> i find it almost impossible to believe that abortion rates would have a significant effect on population growth
<qpl> we are'nt concerned with liberals or conservatives here
<YYZ> suna, why not, what if there were more clinics?
<Estuary> YYZ - abortion isn't a significant population control factor.
<Herzen> Non-Finals Hockey > Finals Baseball
<YYZ> says who?
<YYZ> of course it is
<YYZ> it can't not be
<suna> yyz: i'm just thinking the numbers roughly in my head.....how many people get abortions vs how many people exist
<suna> you can put an abortion clinic on every corner
<tweek> Herzen: **** yes.
<suna> i don't think u'll ever measure a difference
<suna> in population growth
<Lupine> you know, they need to make a baseball plug-in for TIVO.. so you can watch the whole game, and all the action.. in 15 minutes
<YYZ> suna, 61 ppl have died from bird flu, people consider that significant
<Estuary> YYZ - the world's population has trippled in 150 years...from 2 billion to 6, during a time where abortion was increasingly available (legally)
<copulator> wtf is hookah smoking
<Lupine> suna: naw, just have them in the local Kwik-E-Mart
<suna> yyz: not for population growth
<suna> !
<tweek> Lupine: but then how the hell will you be able to enjoy it if not drunk?
<copulator> everybody is smoking hookah
<suna> what you're talking about is subtracting 1 m/s from the speed of light and trying to notice a difference
<suna> maybe the abortion rates would go up
<suna> significantly
<tweek> 61 people die from bird flu and this troll claims that humanity is ****ed?
<suna> compared to previous abortion rates
<suna> maybe THAT is true
<suna> but
<suna> the total will still be an insignificant number in comparison to human population
<suna> it's not population control
<Herzen> tweek, are you watchin the game on now?
<Lupine> why does it matter? Wilma is heading straight for us.. WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!
<US_Male> lol
<tweek> Herzen: no TV, and FreeBSD's bktr doesn't like the way my cap card does sound.
<US_Male> Lupine: I know that's sarcasm. ;P
<tweek> ... well, I guess I could watch it on any of, like, six big ****ing TVs in the house ...
<US_Male> it's a cat 3 right ?
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