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<suna> oh shut up us_male we both know damn well you didn't go out with me for my looks
<FreeTrade> Like my little sister and her big mouth told my wife, Freetrade always did date the good looking women.
<RustyFord> i miss actors like Humphrey
<FreeTrade> well my wife was quite hot when we got married..
<RustyFord> he smacked around that chick
<US_Male> suna, well I don't call the parking lot of McDonald's "going out"
<IamKing> RustyFord: Turner Movie Cl***ics?
<RustyFord> *SMACK SMACK!"
<RustyFord> no I got it from the library
<FreeTrade> but women tend to put on some pounds with time ;) She is still very pretty though. especially her face.
<RustyFord> the chick was psycho though hehehe
<FreeTrade> See when I asked my wife to marry me, I said this..
<RustyFord> FT pulled a Joey
<IamKing> lmao
<RustyFord> " 'ey bay bey, 'ow yooooo dooooin?"
<Herzen> KoooK
<FreeTrade> I said listen, I want to have children or I wont marry, And If I have children I want them to have a mother at home. If you agree to this, Marry me. If you dont agree with this, Please do not marry me.
<KoooK> herzen
<FreeTrade> And so it went.
<KoooK> wsup hman
<FreeTrade> Had nothing to do with like or dislike, I was in love, but love is not enough I wanted children desperately.
<CometBaby> FreeTrade it sounds like you married her womb
<FreeTrade> And I wanted children whose care was not sub contracted to other people.
<IamKing> hahahahah
<RustyFord> heheh FT pulled out his Stegosaurus slugger and knocked her out and took her back to the cave by her hair and said "Ugh! Yoo coook food.."
<Herzen> not much
<Herzen> bored
<KoooK> yeah
<FreeTrade> Cokmet, No I married her, Had she been unable to have kids I would of stayed with her, But the important point was that she had to also want kids whether or not we were capable.
<FreeTrade> Because I loved her but I also had expectations for marraige.
<KoooK> ofp
<US_Male> FT: if she were unable, you could have adopted
<FreeTrade> Its like my first girlfriend when we would talk about marraige she would tell me I would have to babtize my kids in the catholic church.
<CometBaby> FreeTrade there is nothing like honesty .. but I am surprised you didn't include "I love you" in that proposal :)
<FreeTrade> I said I wouldnt do it
<Katey> I actually think that people should get all that stuff on the table before they get married
<Herzen> in afew ok?
<FreeTrade> Comet oh I did
<KoooK> k
<FreeTrade> I just say it differently on channel
<RustyFord> hehe Comet
<IamKing> FreeTrade gave us the blunt Cliff Notes version
<IamKing> lol
<Katey> I've seen people marry who they each didn't share the same objectives with regard to having kids and they ended up divorced.
<RustyFord> "Ugh! You burn food, me get horny long time"
<CometBaby> actually, since you felt so strong about it .. that was really the right way to do it. She knew up front what the deal was. You didn't spring it on her later. Three cheers for you FreeTrade.
<Katey> It's too big of a thing to leave to "hoping they'll change their minds"
<US_Male> I know a guy whose wife didn't want to have kids and he was really pissed
<RustyFord> i met my girl at a harley bar, she was a major pot dealer=P
<US_Male> ppl should agree on that up front
<RustyFord> we agreed easily
<Katey> US-Male, yes. I can't understand how that discussion doesn't occur before marriage
<RustyFord> i was her supplier=P
<US_Male> if both say they hae no current desire to have kids, then they might change their minds later
<StafferX> Holy crap, I just got a call from my friend in Iraq.
<StafferX> Oh, man.
<RustyFord> oh coool!!!
<FreeTrade> Like I said, I broke up with my first love of 4 years or so over giving my kids to the catholic church which I refused, I was an athesit, I didnt mind her being a catholic and going to church.
<RustyFord> is he ok?
<FreeTrade> But I would not give the Church my kids..
<StafferX> He sounds OK. I'll fill you guys in later.
<IamKing> FreeTrade = Satan
<IamKing> heheh
<KoooK> FreeTrade calls his wife fat and only use her as a breeding machine for his satanic offsprings
<FreeTrade> I felt strongly and my girlfriend did not so much object, her mother would of been crushed, she was Ireland born and the Church to her was the difference between hell and heaven
<FreeTrade> Koook, Well thats the harsh way to look at it ;) And my own fault.
<KoooK> heeh
<FreeTrade> I was very much in love first and at the time
<US_Male> lol
<FreeTrade> But I knew what I wanted and I didnt want to argue with her later, I wanted a committment for a committment
<FreeTrade> I committed myself to her for life
<FreeTrade> in exchange for her committment to if we could have kids, to not farm out the raising of them to a sub contactor like a c
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<FreeTrade> preschool
<KoooK> rambo 3 is on
<RustyFord> hehe
<RustyFord> is that the one with Mr T in it? ;)
<Katey> RustyFord, you're thinking of Rocky
<FreeTrade> I see so much destruction from pre schools
<FreeTrade> We babysit a lot of these kids.
<Katey> FreeTrade, maybe you mean daycare
<FreeTrade> Daycare and preschool
<KoooK> rambo 3 is when he defeats the USSR in afghanistan with the mujaheeden
<US_Male> they show Rambo in Europe?
<Katey> Lots of kids go to preschool and it's pretty good for them
<Katey> gets them ready for school and they have fun and make friends
<FreeTrade> Of course I studied psychology and specialized in pediatric psychology before I left college.
<RustyFord> hehe I like the John Wayne movie where he jumps up on the bulldozer and wins Ww2
<Katey> The studies on the subject of daycare basically say that if the program is good quality, it's very good for the kid
<FreeTrade> The first 5-6 years of a child life or very important formatively
<Katey> My kids were in a co-op preschool. They loved it
<KoooK> US shows and films don't cost much to show in europe. they are really just carriers for the commercials
<FreeTrade> we have proof of this both physiologically and subjective psychology
<FreeTrade> with its tools.
<RustyFord> i didn't have a very good child hood with my parents and aunt and uncle and cousins and all that
<FreeTrade> But the physiological represent proof.
<RustyFord> but the prats that i choose to remember i like the most
<RustyFord> parts
<RustyFord> like playing out in the fields and stuff
<RustyFord> watching butterflies and stuff
<FreeTrade> For people who have to work both couples, the child needs a consistant caretaker for her first 5 years at least.
<FreeTrade> 2-5
<RustyFord> pickin' green apples out of th ebig apple tree
<FreeTrade> A grandmother is fine.
<RustyFord> throwing the green apples at the stupid cows
<Katey> A good quality child care progam is also fine
<KoooK> dead ducks in Sweden had the flu, but they havent seen if it's Avian flu yet
<RustyFord> trying to piss them off
<FreeTrade> or a nanny, preferably one who lives in side your home.
<US_Male> it's duck flu
<KoBushi> yeah, a cute nanny
<Katey> prior to age 2, a babysitter or nanny is preferable
<KoBushi> young and easy
<RustyFord> actually there is a "Duck HIV"
<KoBushi> :P
<FreeTrade> The king of Morrocco had a Jewish Nanny which is why he is so Non anti semitic. She was important to him
<Katey> but after age 2, a more structured and social setting is nice
<KoooK> duck you
<Katey> They enjoy it
<US_Male> hehehe
<Katey> And they get a lot out of it
<FreeTrade> 2-5 is the msot important age
<FreeTrade> 0-2 is in fact slightly less important.
<RustyFord> we had a duck who would protect the geese
<RustyFord> we called him Barney
<KoBushi> but after 5 it's okay to kill them for being little ****s right?
<FreeTrade> the emotional security is bonded in the 2nd to 5th or 6th years.
<KoBushi> ;)
<RustyFord> one day he just showed up and hung out and never left
<RustyFord> hahaha
<RustyFord> he would pace back and fourth in front of the geese
<RustyFord> like Barney Fief
<FreeTrade> My kids were totally secure growing up and I never hit them once, I never had to .They didnt **** their thumbs, either of them.
<FreeTrade> I did
<FreeTrade> Until I was in 1st grade
<occ2> i ****ed my thumb
<FreeTrade> AND MAYBE longer!
<KoBushi> FreeTrade you ****ed thier thumbs?
<RustyFord> and the stupid geese would get off their eggs so he would chase them around the yard until he got tired and then go and sit on the geese eggs himself
<FreeTrade> hehe
<FreeTrade> My own thumb
<RustyFord> hehehe the duck was stupid cool
<Katey> neither one of mine ****ed their thumbs
<KoBushi> OH!
<FreeTrade> an attempt to find security
<KoBushi> my mistake ;)
<Katey> but then I didn't either
<RustyFord> male mallard duck
<occ2> my theory is that thumb-****ing is an early indicator of OCD
<FreeTrade> I also never paid attention to age
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