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<JanetB> well write a letter to the producer and demand your money back
<Vyvyan> If you want to see what makes sense to mainstream Democrats nowadays...go to Gore's new channel....DirecTV 366
<fleatrade> If you call a *** scene and snorting coke a drama heh but otherwise their was no entertainment value under any category
<Chrono-Z> Did the *** scene atleast has a decent tit shot?
<fleatrade> You want drama go see the man with half a face or something..
<TimothyW> Vyvyan : Gore's Channel isn't Mainstream !!!
<BauB> i feel like the only person in the world who hated history of violence
<fleatrade> ARGH... gOODNIGHT
<Robscure> Al Gore invented directv
<Vyvyan> Tim...it's Democrat mainstream....just like the featured speakers at Dem conventions like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson
<BauB> Chrono-Z: n
<BauB> o
<BauB> no boobies
<Chrono-Z> Well now I really have no reason at all ever watch it.
<Vyvyan> We tried to tell the Democrats that giving Sharpton standing ovations at their convention wouldn't help them in November
<Vyvyan> Al Sharpton finally found a group that would let him be in the mainstream
<TimothyW> Vyvyan : Gore's TV will go the way Air America.
<TheTailor> Vyvyan, Gore act outside a responsible manner? Say it isn't so!
<Vyvyan> The fun part is that Gore is spending millions to do his TV channel
<TimothyW> Vyvyan : he has too.
<TimothyW> Vyvyan : He has too much money in the bank.
<Vyvyan> Timothy, Occidental Petroleum has done well
<TheTailor> Not after this :-)
<Vyvyan> The funnier part is that it's starting to look like Gore, Kerry and Hillary will all be beating each other up in the primaries in 07
<TimothyW> Vyvyan : is this CurrentTV you are talking about ?
<Vyvyan> Timothy, yes.....DirecTV 366
<TimothyW> News World International was better.
<US-Male> Gore and Kerry are politcally dead as Pres candidates
<Vyvyan> You all need to see this stuff
<JanetB> thank goodness I do not have direct TV
<TheTailor> What is it called again?
<TimothyW> Vyvyan : I don't need to see it.
<TimothyW> TheTailor : CurrentTV
<randym> i'm ordering directv tonight
<Triamme> They got as much chance as Mondale or Dukakis :)
<Vyvyan> That channel is a total hoot....they were celebrating deserters going to Canada this past 24 hours
<Vyvyan> I forget which site it was...somebody was doing a poll on who had the most charisma...Mondale, Dukakis or Kerry. Total hoot
<US-Male> it's good that Gore feeds the same old views that made them lose twice
<US-Male> keep feeding the same GOre/Kerry/Dean views
<Vyvyan> Howie Dean got laughed out of the Democrat primaries....so Democrats figured he's the guy to lead the party. lol
<US-Male> I hope Dems don;t get better at faking to be moderates
<US-Male> if they became skillful at fake moderation it would be dangerous
<Triamme> as I always say politics isn't about being the best person for the job it is about being the best liar convincing the most people you are telling the truth
<Triamme> democrat politicisns ..case in point
<US-Male> to most politicians there's a lot of truth in that
<US-Male> and there are elements of fakery for all
<US-Male> I used to think Clinton was faking all his moderation but I think instead, he double-faked everyone
<US-Male> he ended up signing most of the "Contract with America" into law
<KoooK> sprut i rutan
<Triamme> not much here
<Triamme> oops
<US-Male> how do we get halfway decent video of AL Zarqawi, and we can't kill him ?
<TimothyW> US-Male : I know Bill Clinton was a product of the Council on Foreign Relations. But his old buddies like who was the most positive and critical and truthful people in his Administration was fired. Cause they didn't tote the line. That Clinton didn't have ***ual Relations with that Woman and etc.
<US-Male> yeah Clinton is a vicious fighter
<SweetLeaf> Anyone watch this Off to War thing I love it they went to Bubba's state found a Guard Unit that wanted to collect the money at home but when they get called up to go to war they complain I was just in it for the extra money not this
<US-Male> his spin was pretty ruthless
<SweetLeaf> Whine Whine
<US-Male> I have to pay extra for Discovery Times
<US-Male> so I won't be watching
<SweetLeaf> It is very liberal
<SweetLeaf> Only thing I don't like is when you see a wonded soldier not getting paid on time by the Military or his Job or the SSD
<TimothyW> I'm not like Clinton in my business ventures I keep the truthful people and keep the untruthful people. I don't care about loyalty. If I did a crime the truthful will hand me a perp walk.
<TimothyW> grr
<TimothyW> not keep the untruthful people.
<US-Male> Clinton's main problem was his ruthless spin attacks on people
<TimothyW> yes
<US-Male> and, Waco
<TimothyW> I wouldn't have done that.
<Emil^> us-male - those ruthless spin attacks - well i think they're more common than people think - and not just against democrats
<US-Male> he survived only because of Oklahoma City terrorism
<TimothyW> I would let the locals deal with it till it got to my desk.
<US-Male> had McVeigh not bombed the Federal building, Clinton would have been a one-termer
<US-Male> but people needed someon to rally around, and he was it
<US-Male> and there were some loonies trying to crash planes into the white house
<US-Male> that all contributed to it
<redfish> usmale im not sure timothy mcveigh really influenced the perception of conservatives as angry white males
<redfish> and i think dole lost in 1996 for other reasons
<TimothyW> redfish : Age and not being down with the homies if you get what I mean.
<TimothyW> Timothy McVeigh wasn't a Conservative in my view.
<redfish> well first of all i dont think the republicans convinced people to vote for dole , a major dole plank was cutting taxes, but we still had high deficits and he wasnt selling people on that
<TimothyW> He was a destructive left wing racist towards his on people.
<h0mi> the economy was doing ok in 96
<h0mi> and people didnt want to rock the boat
<redfish> and i dont think 1996 was that politically heated anyway , i think the swing vote went to the incumbent by default, and many wanted to maintain balance of parties
<h0mi> and clinton proved himself to be sufficiently non leftist that the people were fine with him
<h0mi> if clinton doesnt sign welfare reform, he mightve still won but barely
<redfish> well because by then he had to make deals with republicans
<redfish> i think people understood that
<TimothyW> redfish : I think Dole didn't have the fundraising behind him also. Cause the people didn't like his age like I said before.
<redfish> there was low voter turnout in general that year
<TimothyW> I gained some respect that year from that year. Cause I went around people's houses and said vote for Dole. I was 16 at the time. I was asked to do it.
<redfish> i was 16 then
<redfish> i supported perots candidacy though
<TimothyW> Perot should have said in the Private Sector.
<TimothyW> stayed
<TimothyW> brb
<`Maryanne> wow 135 ppl here and no one is talking?
<randym> i wish currenttv was available on mobitv
<US_Male> jeez, glad she left.
<randym> you are the heart and soul of #politics
<Gazpacho> I supported Perot too
<Gazpacho> although in retrospect I should have just voted for him, rather than supporting him
<Gazpacho> I mean come on, the berlin wall had just fallen. was it that absurd to think a third party might emerge?
<Emil^> i also supported perot - it was refreshign to have a 3rd choice even if he was an idiot at time
<Emil^> times*
<Emil^> heh - i've voted nader even in the past - why? you think i like that joker?? no......
<Emil^> not even half of the country votes.........now that is sad
<Abydos313> probably only 30% vote. the rest is fraud
<Emil^> when workign in mexico - i was sooooooo freakning amazed.......all the people marching for their democratic rights
<TimothyW> Emil^ : become a Public Relations Corp. And Work so hard to get out the vote. Don't do it like the MTV with Rock the Vote.
<Guest99> hey guys
<Emil^> sadly - i'm dejected i think a 3rd party is nearly a fools dream
<Emil^> a 3rd party wont happen - the gov't wont allow that to happen
<Emil^> the gov't goes out of their way to prevent this from even being a possiblity
<Emil^> only the libertarians can be voted on in like what??? 40 states?
<Emil^> that is our only 'major' 3rd party
<TimothyW> Mexico needs to offer surperb jobs. With growth and anti-immigration CEO's to tell El-Presidente Vicente Fox to shut the **** up.
<Emil^> vincente fox if the first NON-PRI electorate in over 80 years
<Emil^> mexico - is even worse off - they have only 1 party - i'm more of a fan of PAN
<Emil^> mexico - is a single party system - so i guess we in the u.s. could be worse off
<Kool-Aid> big channel
<Kool-Aid> wow
<Emil^> one thing i do applaude fox on..........is well the 'drug problem' in the u.s.............the us attacks mexico for drug trafficking - but never speaks about our demand
<Emil^> the us blames mexico blames mexico and blames mexico for all drugs - but we never take any blame ourselves for our demand
<TimothyW> Emil^ : hmm
<Emil^> vincente fox had the gall to say that well........if not for american demand of drugs - we would not have such problems with vioelence and such in drug traffacking
<TimothyW> Emil^ : thats a demoralizing fact. That some of the violence in Mexico deals with stupid **** other than drugs.
<Kool-Aid> I think we ought to put land mines across our southern border
<Emil^> the US blames mexico for drug importants - while mexico blames the us for demand of drugs which pull such devients throught through their country
<Abydos313> Kool-Aid exactly
<Kool-Aid> The average IQ in Mexico is 87, so you can't really expect much from them
<KN> heh
<Emil^> kool-aid - ohh yeah, my bad - i forgot all mexicans are retarded
<TimothyW> Kool-Aid : nope.
<Emil^> now if you want to talk about illelgal immgration - be polite
<TimothyW> Kool-Aid : Mexicans like Barbara Bermudo Myrka Dellanos have High IQs.
<Emil^> as an american i agree - illelgal immgration is just wrong
<KN> yes it is
<ErrorF002> sweeping comments and generalizations are always a sign of a high IQ.
<Kool-Aid> TimothyW: Indeed, there are bound to be anomalies
<Kool-Aid> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations
<Emil^> but to say mexicans are retarted for wanting to move to a country where they can earn money ..........sighh
<roster> The English Settlers were illegal immagrants to the indians that owned this land before the white man took it over
<TimothyW> Kool-Aid : I don't care about IQ. Cause the most idiotic people have been known to be the most efficient.
<ErrorF002> you can't blame them for coming here
<Emil^> roster - point taken - but today - america is all about immigration - it just needs to be done legally
<Kool-Aid> Emil^: So they can, I have no problems with them wanting to move to other countries, just not mine
<Kool-Aid> -so
<Kool-Aid> +sure
<roster> i personally dont like the fact of it happening for security issues
<Emil^> kool-aid - not even legal immigrants???
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