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<Emil^> kool-aid - not even legal immigrants???
<ErrorF002> Kool-Aid are they threatenting you job?
<roster> terrorism can come into this country easily
<Kool-Aid> Emil^: What percentage of the Mexicans in US are here legally?
<TimothyW> The Mexican Leaders and CEO's have to promote Anti-Illegal Immigration.
<KN> i think we over exaggerate the threat of terrorism
<ErrorF002> its not like the .ca border is all that secure either
<Emil^> kool-aid - apparently you're the expert you tell me
<Kool-Aid> I have no problem with the legal immigration
<Abydos313> it's not about job loss to americans. they are bankrupting our hospitals and overrunning our school systems
<Emil^> amen then kool-aid
<roster> wtc 9.11 is nothing to shake a stick at either KN
<KN> i see dozens of instances each day where one guy with a decent sized bomb could kill 50 people
<KN> nothing happens
<Emil^> ask yourself who has the most to gain in the u.s. with illelgal immigration?
<|Glitch|> Greetings.
<Emil^> what industries are most supportive of illellgal immgrants
<ErrorF002> farming
<KN> farming, fast food
<Emil^> *ding* *ding* go error
<KN> industrial jobs
<Kool-Aid> Abydos313, not to mention they are lowering our literacy rate
<tumadre> construction
<ErrorF002> yeah construction big time
<KN> yep
<ErrorF002> illegal immigration is modern salvery
<KN> my house and entire neighborhood was built by illegals
<Abydos313> my sister works for the school system. she said it's a babysitting job. you can't teach when over half the cl*** can't speak english
<Emil^> now..........ask which industry fights the most against an increase in green cards for season workers???
<|Glitch|> ErrorF002: That post only served to prove that you know nothing about either subject.
<ErrorF002> Emil^ that I no not the answer
<Kool-Aid> Abydos313, and most have no desire to learn english
<ErrorF002> |Glitch| expand upon the statement?
<Abydos313> exactly. wanting me to speak spanish
<Alton> KN--do you think that it is goog that criminal invaders built your home?
<Emil^> i spoke of this 4 nightrs ago - yale came out with a study 4 years ago - they claim that illelgal immigrants put 7 times more into the economy then they take out.........but who gains.........? who looses (who looses is the easy question - medical, education, etc...)
<ErrorF002> America in the 1800's could not compete on the Gloabal market in wool production. its was cotton that made us king and we rose to the top on the backs fo slaves.
<|Glitch|> Kool-Aid: They are illegal, who cares if they learn the language? Deport them and imprison those who employ them.
<KN> no i dont but its the way things are here in CA
<ErrorF002> Today it monster we fight is globalization.
<Kool-Aid> |Glitch|, nod, easier said than done, unfortunately
<Emil^> the fact is Southwestern business depend on cheap labor........they dont know how to turn a profit without illelgals
<ErrorF002> if farmers had to pay minimun wage to ALL workers... where would be be globally?
<Emil^> error AMEN!!!
<ErrorF002> hell....
<|Glitch|> ErrorF002: Your posts just get dumber and dumber. There was no "Global Market" in 1800. DUH!
<Emil^> THE US is dependent on slave type wages
<ErrorF002> where would we be domestically?
<ErrorF002> |Glitch| no you show YOUR ignorance
<Emil^> if overnight - we banned all illelgal workers - our southwestern economy would be simply fvcked
<Alton> food would cost more but globally we would be far better off if we didn't have a ****storm of un***imalable retreads coming here to steal rape and plunder.
<ErrorF002> The wool market was dominated by the UK
<KN> indeed
<|Glitch|> Emil^: Nonsense.
<Emil^> we DEPEND on illelgals
<ErrorF002> they had exportsa to france and spain
<ErrorF002> We coulding break in edgewise
<ErrorF002> couldn't
<Emil^> glitch - ask yourself - who is so against all of these new seasonal green cards??????????
<roster> isnt legal immagration nothing more than paperwork anyway?
<KN> roster yes but it serves a purpose
<|Glitch|> Emil^: The only idiots who come up with that arguement are those who want more immigrants to enter the US illegally.
<Emil^> california has been crying for years and years - we need more season workers
<Emil^> glitch - how about the corporations who needs cheap labor?
<ErrorF002> |Glitch| what is your solution?
<ErrorF002> just curious
<roster> when you have so many illegal immagrants here anyway...those paperwork checks and balances pretty much speak for themselves.
<Alton> KN--I tried to pm you but it wouldn't work--try PMing me
<ErrorF002> since you aren't a student of history
<Abydos313> i'd like to know the solution too
<|Glitch|> Emil^: The corporations will pay what the market will bear, as they always have done. If they can't hire illegals for dirt wages, then they'll hire American citizens and pay more.
<roster> actions speak louder than words
<roster> for the amount that come over the border the ratio good to bad is overwhelming
<Emil^> glitch - and who do you think is most AGAINST an increase in seasonal greed card workers???
<ErrorF002> |Glitch| you are naive, they won't hire americans... they will out source firts
<roster> so out the window with some paperwork
<ErrorF002> then hire americans if that don't work out
<Emil^> they dotn want to hire americans - why pay min' wage when you can pay a dollar an hour or less?
<Alton> Ike threw them the hell out and it wasn't the first time---ever hear of operation clean sweep?
<ErrorF002> Emil^ they don't even pay that
<Emil^> ask youself what states, what communites are least wanting to stop illelgal immigration - and WHY?
<ErrorF002> they get payed by the bushel usually
<|Glitch|> Emil^: Ever consider that maybe corporations are hiring illegals because they can? Because they know that we aren't enforcing immigration laws, so the risk is minimal.
<KN> i think its pretty impossible to kick out 10 million illegals
<STINGRAY`> oh wilma
<ErrorF002> KN yup
<STINGRAY`> glitch heya
<ErrorF002> but here is a solution I do like
<Alton> It isn't
<Emil^> illelgals are teh backbone of the agricultruual insdustry in teh american southwest
<|Glitch|> Hiya STINGRAY`!
<ErrorF002> I say we tax all wire transfers to Mexico
<STINGRAY`> glitch waitin for wilma and fred
<KN> we wouldnt be able to get all of them or even the majority
<Emil^> well backbone is kinda a strong saying
<Kool-Aid> KN, bull
<ErrorF002> at the very least we get some tax money to offset the billions that go there every year.
<STINGRAY`> i say we tax all poor people
<Kool-Aid> It's more than possible to deport most of them
<KN> Kool Aid there are just oo many of them spread out in the country
<Emil^> as long as we want cheap peppers, tomamtoes, and such - we need illelgal immgrants - they dirt wages translate to americans being able to buy affordable food
<Abydos313> tax for crossing border also would help
<KN> a tax?
<ErrorF002> Abydos313... if they are coming here... chances are they are broke.
<STINGRAY`> the boat people are the cleanest people in florida seems like they are allays Washing up on shore
<KN> why?
<Alton> We can boot ten thousand per week easily if we want to and simply cutting off theuir labor will get rid of most and those who remain are here to do what?
<|Glitch|> Kool-Aid: Indeed. All it takes is a President with a modicum of backbone who lives up to his oath of office and enforces the laws enacted by Congress.
<ErrorF002> but if we tax the cash they send home. we should be in good shape.
<Abydos313> good. less crossings
<Rockfish> Sting, right, if you want more of something you subsidize it, if you want less you tax it, ergo tax the poor = less poor people
<Emil^> i'm all for STOPPING ILLELGAL IMMIGRATIONi - this is just wrong - but i at least research who wants this not to happen
<Kool-Aid> |Glitch|, yup
<ErrorF002> Emil^ I hear you..
<STINGRAY`> hey emil i can cure worlds hunger. tell the people to chew their food slowley and take smaller bites
<Emil^> we can try try to stop illelgal immigrants - but take a guess on which states will fight this the most - and ask youself why?}
<Abydos313> i haven't talked to one person who doesn't want this immigration issue dealt with. including mexicans themselves
<|Glitch|> Emil^: No you aren't. Every arguement you've posted thus far has been in favor of criminals crossing our borders.
<STINGRAY`> emil the dems or the gop are afraid of the backlash
<KN> i would love to see it dealt with, Bush has really let alot of people down with this
<STINGRAY`> usmale heya
<Rockfish> There's nothing illegal immigrants do that legal immigrants can't
<Emil^> abydsos - ohhhh c'mon!!!! no you just lost credabiliity - i lived in mexico - making it to the US is like hitting the promise land
<ErrorF002> |Glitch| you live in a world of black in white. You are no where near where policy meets reality
<|Glitch|> Rockfish: Or any citizens for that matter.
<Emil^> rockfish - expect work for less than min. wage!
<Abydos313> none of the mexicans i talked to were illegals
<Emil^> abydos - where are you living!?!
<ErrorF002> Emil^ that depends on what he means by dealt with
<Abydos313> california
<Emil^> hell - i've met dozens of illelgals working on farms here in illinois
<STINGRAY`> glitch and he lives in a world of pink and yellow
<ErrorF002> I know mexicans that would like a legal ay
<ErrorF002> way
<TimothyW> We need to re-educate the Mexican Population that there culture is harmed by illegal immigration and legal immigration. When enough of them are in the USA they will not be any real culture or langauge. You will see the Mexican Lang die out.
<Rockfish> KN, Bush has the best policy on illegals we've seen in decades, don't blame him if it hasn't been dealt with by the Congress yet, besides it will be dealt with within a few months
<Emil^> timorthy - that is a lost cause
<KN> i bet...
<TimothyW> Emil^ : nope.
<ErrorF002> TimothyW... they are more concerned about supporting their families than cultural preservation.
<KN> the border issue, IMO, is a key factor in the war on terrorism yet i seems to go unheeded
<Emil^> right or wrong - the fact is - if YOU were a mexican making 12 cents an hour - you tell me you wouldn't try to move to us?// legal or not????
<Emil^> i'm not saying this is right
<Emil^> i'm stating this is reality
<vasili0s> how many illegals reside in the u.s. ?
<ErrorF002> KN I agree
<|Glitch|> Abydos313: It's primarily liberals who want more criminals to cross our borders. Recent immigrants who went through the process and entered legally, particularly legal Mexcian immigrants, want the law enforced.
<vasili0s> 5 mill ?
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