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<ErrorF002> Abydos313 that would be phase two in my book
<Emil^> ask yourself - who has the most to gain - by employing illelgals
<ErrorF002> start throwing no joke fines at businesses.
<Lotec> Kool, you got that right
<Emil^> who has the most to gain by keeping seasonal green card working to a minimum
<Alton> California would be far better off paying legals to do agriculture even at min wage.
<Emil^> this is what i think is sick
<Emil^> if you're an american you should be one legally
<|Glitch|> Rockfish: How does higher prices equate to higher taxes? There seems to be a rather large disconnect there.
<ErrorF002> Emil^.... you pose the question enought give us the answer!! :-)
<KN> Alton farmers dont want that though, they pocket more money when they have really cheap workers
<Emil^> if you're an american you should have job opportunities
<Abydos313> call immigration at job sites and home depots.. maybe even law suits against local officials in charge
<Rockfish> Not to mention hiring legal workers = less state expenditures on illegals' health care and education
<Rockfish> Glitch, higher tax revenues
<Alton> KN--that is true of all capitalists
<Emil^> error - i thought the answer was a given :))
<Emil^> and this does **** btw as far as i'm concerned
<Abydos313> what is the cost of education per year per child. immigrants have alot of kids
<|Glitch|> Rockfish: Ah, so you meant more tax revenue, not higher taxes.
<KN> indeed Alt
<Lotec> If an illegal Mexican gets paid cash there's no tax on his wages. If he sends most of it to Mexico, it's like Mexico gets to tax it instead of the US
<Rockfish> yeah
<Emil^> abydos - yale did a study on that - they did a cost anaylsis of illelgals - on what they put into the economy vs. what they take out
<Alton> KN--PM me
<ErrorF002> Lotec this is why I support taxing wire transfers
<Emil^> abydos - the money they take out - is FROM US TAX PAYERS
<KN> i just did is it workin for you?
<ErrorF002> hell.. just charge sales tax on it.
<Emil^> they take out money via education, via medical, etc...
<|Glitch|> Rockfish: Thanks for the clarification. You had me worried there for a minute. :)
<Alton> I see nothing
<KN> i clciked yer name
<Emil^> the tax payers get fvcked - the private companies bank
<KN> i have the little window
<Alton> I clicked yours as well
<KN> i dont see anything either
<Abydos313> Emil^ if that was true about putting more in than taking out..why are the hospitals around me closing and 40+ kids per cl***room. california spends 53 billion a yr in education and kids graduate that can't read
<Alton> KN--is this better than putting up with ***holes or what?
<Emil^> abydos - read back plz - you bring up a great point
<ErrorF002> all this name clicking... please.... keep the political cyber***0r to a minium.
<KN> hell yes it is
<KN> its a bit more hectic though
<KN> heh
<KN> how come your text is red though?
<Emil^> abydos - they take money from education and medical - (i.e a tax) - they give money to private companies
<KN> im sort of new
<Alton> It becomes less so as u learn who is what u want to deal with blah blah
<Emil^> abydos - private companies profit - us tax payers get jacked
<|Glitch|> Abydos313: And yet California isn't even in the top 10 spenders on a per student basis.
<Lotec> Even 10 years ago we could get Americans to roof a house here. Not anymore. Illegals drove the wages down low enough that legals couldn't make a living at it anymore
<Abydos313> how can law makers spend our tax money on illegals here? that alone should make it illegal
<Emil^> abudos - us regular citizerns get fvcked.......but dont kid youself someone gains
<KN> i dunno why this PM isnt workin
<Emil^> abydus - ask yourself who gains..........
<Abydos313> big business gains
<Emil^> abydus - and who do they donate money too???
<Emil^> abydus - overall we do gain as a country- but as tax payers i'm furious on this
<Alton> I live in CT and the guy who painted the interior of a newly built house down the street is an American and he employs an illega'
<ErrorF002> Alton go over there and kick his ***
<Kool-Aid> Alton, report his ***
<Lotec> Alton, did you report them?
<KN> yeah
<CanOfSpam> CUT HIS THROAT!~
<Emil^> abydos - this is just another form of a tax - we pay for these damn agricultural companies in the SW
<Abydos313> there has to be a lawyer somewhere who can prosecute these politicians. there is no way i can believe a society would make it legal to force it's taxpayers to burden the education costs of people here illegally from another country
<CanOfSpam> Sorry I was getting into it.
<KN> lol Spam
<Alton> I say throw them the hell out and let them in on the basis of IQ which would help us in more than a few ways
<Alton> '[]]
<CanOfSpam> A good ol' lynching! Whee!
<Emil^> abydos - california............sigh sigh............**** yes - i agree
<Kool-Aid> Alton, amen
<Lotec> Spammy, it ain't about color or ethnicity
<Abydos313> ErrorF002 i've said to people if voting is not working and politicians and judges say **** you to the will of the people leave only one thing.. killing the ***holes. i'm just not crazy enough to do it
<KN> that makes sense Alt
<Emil^> alton - i may agree with you - but frontn' on the IQ's of mexicans isn't winning you any awards
<CanOfSpam> I dont know what its about at all. I just woke up.
<|Glitch|> Abydos313: According to the NCES, Connecticut pays the most per student at $11,053. Whereas California only pays $7,680 per student. Source: http://nces.ed.gov/
<Alton> aby--also the medical costs and the rampant criminality and the cost of putting them in prison
<Emil^> alton - rewind - sorry i misread
<ErrorF002> Abydos313 is calling for a revolution.
<Emil^> alton - i agree with you bro............
<KN> like give em a test or somethin
<Abydos313> no way one mexican with 4 kids puts in more then the education and medical costs.. period
<Abydos313> i was leaving out the cost of prisons.. good call
<Emil^> given the cost anaysis - yale and harvard agreed - illelgals bring in more money they they take out - BUT BUT BUT
<Lotec> The illegal thing has taken an ugly turn in GA recently. Criminals are targeting them because they figured out they don't use banks and keep cash
<Emil^> BUT they take from us taxpayers - and only give to private companies
<tweek> but they TOOK ERR JERBS!!
<KN> hahaha
<KN> goo backs
<Emil^> lotec - yeah i heard about those murders :(
<|Glitch|> Lotec: It's about time GA moved into the 20th century. :)
<Abydos313> ErrorF002 i believe revolution wouldn've happened long ago if the gov was slowly but surely disarming american citizens :(
<ErrorF002> tweek.... if you wanna target people that are taking err jerbs.... book a flight to India or China.
<ErrorF002> You won't run out of ***es to kick
<Alton> ...and what is the cost to taxpayers when South American gangsters that are unfit for a depraved ****hole come here and gang rape a 13 year old girl? That is a tough thing to figure in terms of cost isn't it? I will pay five bucks for a head of lettuce to get these scummers out.
<tweek> err, I'm not. I'm just being sarcastic.
<tweek> and I don't really think that outsourcing is a real problem.
<tweek> I'm saying this as a CS major.
<ErrorF002> I know :-) I just took an opportuniyt to throw that in there
<Abydos313> Alton exactly. me too
<Emil^> alton - if you're talking to me plz explain - i dont see how i could disagree
<ErrorF002> tweek same business..
<Kool-Aid> Alton, Yeah
<ErrorF002> what you do?
<KN> totally agree alton
<|Glitch|> Abydos313: Without a doubt. As Benjamin Franklin said "The beauty of the second amendment is that it will never be needed until it is being taken away."
<tweek> I'm a student.
<Alton> I am just ranting in a semi maniacal way as is my custom
<ErrorF002> ah
<Abydos313> you can thank the gov for the trade agreements.. why keep factories here when you can have slave labor build it for nothing and ship it back here
<ErrorF002> then you don't really know the pain of outsourcing yet :-)
<Emil^> what the us NEEDS IS MORE SEASONAL WORKERS TO BE LEGAL..........why cant' the SW allow the # of workers we need to surplant illelgals
<tweek> and I won't, since I'm going to grad school.
<KN> indeed alt lol ;)
<tweek> at any rate, in my field, you've gotta be the best.
<ErrorF002> tweek not really
<Rockfish> Free trade agreements save America a lot more than it costs them
<|Glitch|> Abydos313: There have been attempts to repeal the 2nd Amendment. The most recent proposed amendment was made in 1994 by Sen. Feinstein.
<ErrorF002> I am quite avereage and I do well.
<tweek> if someone overseas can do what I do better than I can with less of a wage, I don't deserve the job anyway.
<Emil^> why do states like california (who need those workers most) - why cant' california allow more green cards
<Abydos313> it's sickening |Glitch|
<tweek> TOOK ERR GUNS!!
<Rockfish> Glitch, **** Gephardt suggested amending the First Amendment to allow for McCain Feingold, Democrats just don't like the Bill of Rights much
<ErrorF002> please don't peg me as a liberal... cause I agree with the keeping our guns angle.
<Emil^> if we really want our workers to all earn min. wage - why do we intentionally disallow enough workers for our needs???
<|Glitch|> Abydos313: That's why it requires constant vigilance on our part.
<ErrorF002> I believe in common sense, not in liberalism or conservativism
<Emil^> error - amen
<Alton> Tweek--what if they find some Indian that can bone your girl better? grow a pair
<Emil^> error - it's nice to see someone with a brain and common sense
<tweek> Alton: the ****?
<KN> <:o
<|Glitch|> Rockfish: Interesting. Typically it is the GOP that attacks the 1st and 4th Amendments. Whereas the Democrats typically attack the 2nd and 10th Amendments.
<Emil^> I ask again: if we really want our workers to all earn min. wage - why do we intentionally disallow enough workers for our needs???
<ErrorF002> Alton.... that sure came out of left field....
<KN> i agree error i dont side with any ideology
<KN> lol alton i dont think they got yer point
<tweek> yeah, really. - so, what, you think that a skilled person should be denied a position for some less skilled person who requires a higher wage?
<Alton> tweek--if every job in the country can be done cheaper elsewhere should we obey our mindset and starve to death or what?
<tweek> what type of ****ing capitalist mentality is that...
<ErrorF002> i used to be an independant.... but in the last 5 years I feel as if the scale has slid to the point where I feel like a bleeding heart :-/
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