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<Emil^> but they will continue to threaten us and decry us as imperialisticc
<Lotec> Let em
<Emil^> lotec - i can see the world as a whole pissing on us..........but when europe
<Emil^> (who i may add has benefited the most from our investments)
<Emil^> this really does piss me off
<Lotec> What did you thing the whole EU thing was about?
<Lotec> France and Germany run the EU and they want to challenge us
<Emil^> i just pray the us has the courage to defend it's intellectual property - we spent the billion to build this interent
<Emil^> my *** if we should should bow down and sacrafice
<Emil^> no billions**
<Lotec> Probably trillions to get it to where it is today
<Emil^> The European Union (EU) wants control shifted away from the US to a more representative global body or forum. (BBC)
<Emil^> and the UN is folliwing suit
<Lotec> But screw em. If they didn't have this to ***** about, it'd be something else
<Emil^> i just hope we're not as spineless as the EU wants us to be
<Lotec> Have you heard of any Americans who'd put up with that?
<Emil^> i respect the EU - but i think their arrogant bastards trying to hijack our technology which we spent billions to create
<Emil^> lotec -thank God NO - tho i'm waiting for US-male to *****
<Emil^> i think he's candadian tho
<Lotec> He wouldn't. He's not that liberal
<Emil^> i just hope americans can keep their pride and protect OUR COUNTRY'S intellectual property
<Emil^> the last thing we need is for the internet to succumber to foreign concerns
<tortus> their only reourse would be to boycott the internet, set up their own. which is acceptable
<Emil^> tortus - in china's case i think this is very potential
<Emil^> but i dont care
<tortus> right. no problem
<tortus> they have no recourse
<Lotec> We actually have Internet2 which we don't let them use
<Emil^> i just hope our politicans have some backbone - i'm scared we're a bunch of pussies
<tortus> nah. bolton will stomp around
<tortus> should be a good show, if it becomes an issue
<Emil^> i just pray we have the pride
<Lotec> Emil, I wouldn;t worry unless Hillary gets in the Whitehouse
<Chrono-Z> That would be humorous. Give up the internet only to flick the switch on internet2 the next day rendering the prior worthless.
<Emil^> we spent the money to create the internet - **** them if they think we're 'anti' global' cuz we dont **** their ***
<Emil^> i really am concerned about this
<tortus> what is internet 2? how could we not let somewone use it?
<Emil^> there are too many ***** *** americans who capitulate
<Lotec> Kerry might have thought it was a good idea, but he lost
<Chrono-Z> tortus to tell the truth I don't know much about it. I think it's still in experimental stage. I know some colleges have access to it though.
<Emil^> it's our country who spent billions to make this a reality - to try to force us to give it all up to a UN agency (we all know how effective that would be) that is just wac
<Emil^> but that is the global unified goal - to take the Internetn away from from US
<Emil^> i hope americans can learn about this DEMAND
<tortus> internet 2 is in wikipedia
<Emil^> if chinna or iran wants to break way - make their own internet - fine
<Lotec> Internet2 is a new, faster system that isn't connected to the old one we're using now. It's connected to universities and some government agencies like NASA
<tortus> trademarked membership web
<Emil^> i just find it GREEDY to say the least
<Bloc> they already are
<Emil^> that countries wants to make the UN the Internet authority
<Lotec> Emil, I'm actually glad they phrased it as a DEMAND
<tortus> hmm. next generation internet backbone
<Bloc> china censors their portion of the inet already
<Emil^> lotec - to be fair read http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4357360.stm
<Emil^> but that's nto enough
<Bloc> it wouldn't be hard to take the next step and use local content only
<Emil^> I
<Emil^> ICANN isn't enough
<tortus> internet 2 is not separate from the internet.
<Bloc> what should have happened fromthe start was....all domain names must end in a two letter country code
<Emil^> i'm all about the UN - but f' me if they deserve the right to what we spent billions to produce
<Bloc> but since .com .net .org was a free for all for corporate america...i can see how small countries would be annoyed
<Chrono-Z> You know sometimes I think I would like to be disconnected from other countries. No more russian scammers. Asian game farmers. Offshore spam bots.
<Chrono-Z> It would be great.
<Emil^> bloc - there are country codes
<Bloc> Chrono-Z, would be...cause US is still the largest spammer
<gloriae> wh00t
<Bloc> Emil^, yeah but i'm saying take away all top level domains except for the two letter country codes
<Emil^> i just think it's arrogant and well greedy
<Emil^> bloc - we can change that **** if it matters that much to you
<Bloc> if ibm.com wants that addresss
<tortus> oh internet 2 is a consortium and not a computer network
<gloriae> I think porn should be ghettoized to .xx or .xxx
<Bloc> re***ign it to ibm.com.us and use the browser to remove the suffix
<gloriae> .crap, whatever
<Chrono-Z> Indeed gloriae
<Emil^> i'm rather offended that europe thinks they have the right to tell use what prefixes/suffixes to use
<Bloc> Emil^, it is a big enough deal hence the annoyance expressed by non us countries with domain names
<Lotec> Bloc, **** em
<Bloc> :)
<Emil^> block - you spend billions to develop this **** - then you can name it like you want it
<Bloc> sure that's one way
<gloriae> does europe think that?
<Emil^> it's like a free for all - a free-grab deal
<Bloc> Emil^, the fibre is owned by each countries telco
<Bloc> the servers too
<Emil^> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4357360.stm
<Emil^> that is a very freindly post
<Bloc> a few protocols...well they're open sourced
<gloriae> is this something about that UN consortium on internet usage?
<Emil^> read that plz if you havne't
<Lotec> gloriae, the EU is demanding we turn over control of the net to the UN
<Emil^> i'm even givening you the oppositions viewpoint
<gloriae> oh, yeah, like THAT makes sense
<Bloc> not of the int
<Bloc> of the key DNS servers
<gloriae> EU is not in a position to require that
<Bloc> the master DNS servers
<Bloc> if the US wants to hold onto one fine...
<Emil^> the US better damn well keep control - pay us 10 billions??/ well then i may agree
<Bloc> china already has a modified master DNS server
<Bloc> mind as well keep another one outside the US too
<Lotec> Emil, not for 100 bil
<Emil^> bloc - the brilliiiance of the www - is well - ITS WORLDWIDE
<Bloc> Emil^, they dno't have to pay anything....
<gloriae> that's such dreamy thinking, "give it to the UN, the UN does everything right"
<Bloc> protocols open sourced, fibre is local
<gloriae> so far from reality
<Bloc> it's a $10K master DNS server
<Emil^> bloc - sure it's free - i'm down - but if you want control............then you pay us for our development
<Bloc> they can attach it right now, cept it would f up the entire net
<Emil^> greedy sons of *****es
<Bloc> control of domain names is different than the net
<Bloc> hence my argument of the country code
<Lotec> gloriae, read http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,16559,1589967,00.html
<gloriae> one of the people on the usual channel I hang out on was at that WGIG meeting last month, not the first he's been to, and he'll be at the next one as well
<Bloc> let each country deal with it's own two letter country code...get rid of .com .net .org etc
<gloriae> he buys that line of EU trying to grab the reins
<Emil^> the problem is countries wanting to use censorship
<gloriae> very annoying
<gloriae> very self important people
<Bloc> Emil^, that happens regardless
<Bloc> eg china
<Emil^> the way teh net we made is set up - we dotn censor - but they want us too..........now just imagine the glory of the UN controlling the net
<Emil^> bloc - sure sure find
<Emil^> sure sure fine
<gloriae> the UN is one of the most corrupt bodies in the world
<gloriae> people who keep setting it up as some sort of higher thing are deluded
<Bloc> cept it doesn't govern, it represents
<Emil^> the UN controlling the net to me - is AGAINST everything the internet was made for
<Bloc> it's a gigantic cl***room where everyone yells
<Bloc> and nothing gets done
<gloriae> it does neither, every single person in it is appointed
<gloriae> not one of them is elected by any population
<Lotec> Bloc, if they are making demands now, it seems like governing
<Emil^> but the world is DEMANDING we give up control to a UN body
<Bloc> but it's the only cl***room and everyone is invited
<Bloc> so ***** about the UN fine...but not much you can do
<Bloc> it's like *****ing that a retarded kid is retarded
<gloriae> it's a series of bull**** sessions and the stimulation of mob mentality in an atmosphere of competitive political correctness
<Emil^> the un only gives us 4 options:
<Emil^> <Emil^> 1)Option One - create a UN body known as the Global Internet Council that draws its members from governments and "other stakeholders" and takes over the US oversight role of Icann.
<Emil^> <Emil^> 2)Option Two - no changes apart from strengthening Icann's Governmental Advisory Committee to become a forum for official debate on net issues.
<Emil^> <Emil^> 3)Option Three - relegate Icann to a narrow technical role and set up an International Internet Council that sits outside the UN. US loses oversight of Icann
<Emil^> <Emil^> 4
<gloriae> it's like a huge soviet
<Emil^> <Emil^> 4)Option Four - create three new bodies. One to take over from Icann and look after the net's addressing system. One to be a debating chamber for governments, businesses and the public; and one to co-ordinate work on "internet-related public policy issues".
<Bloc> until you find another forum for global discussion
<gloriae> it stinks
<Lotec> Bloc, would you turn your bank account over to the retarded kid?
<Emil^> bloc - hell yes...........we have everything to do about this
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