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<Emil^> bloc - hell yes...........we have everything to do about this
<gloriae> Emil^, don't paste all that stuff, the URL was there for anyone to read the article
<Emil^> bloc - we have control
<Bloc> lotec, no...so the US shouldn't either
<Emil^> gloriae - i thought that was redundant - wont happen again
<Bloc> lotec, it's not like the UN can force the US to give them money
<Emil^> bloc- we have control
<Bloc> the US does it cause it wants to
<Emil^> the UN cant force us to do ****
<gloriae> EU = greedy idiots, like the UN
<Bloc> :)
<Bloc> anyways
<tortus> seems to me that a move to make the domains country codes instead of the current categories, that would be a precursor to taxation on the internet
<gloriae> self important babbling ***holes trying to steer
<Lotec> Bloc, our control over the internet we built is part of our capital
<Bloc> i say technically they can...but whatever
<gloriae> trying to hijack the internet now
<gloriae> wheezis
<gloriae> BACK SEAT DRIVERS (eu)
<Emil^> gloriae - i was just just redundent i'm not steering - just stating what the WORLD expects/wants of us
<Bloc> either do it diplomatically or let's launch the biggest DOS ever:)
<tortus> a way to sort out who getw the tax
<gloriae> I do'nt mean you, Emil^
<gloriae> I mean WGIG
<Emil^> glooriae - ack - sorry, and sorry i was spamming
<gloriae> np
<Bloc> so you can say 'NO' all you want but technically the hardware is all local
<Emil^> i just hope America has the pride to defend it intellectual rights
<Bloc> the isp dns refer to the master dns for updates
<tortus> each country could have its own internet?
<Bloc> but if the gov tells EU ISP's to refer to the EU master dns...then that'll be a fun cluster****
<Emil^> tortus - sure they can
<tortus> why don't they do that?
<Lotec> tortus, they can if they build it
<gloriae> if gore had been elected, if the democrats were in control of congress, they'd bend over for that in a hot second
<Bloc> tortus, cause it would **** up trade and would be dumb
<gloriae> they're easily manipulable by EU lines of bull****
<Emil^> tortus - cuz countries who logon the www - well they want it to be teh WORLD wide web
<tortus> bloc: so they can't do it?
<gloriae> how about the BELGIAN wide web
<Lotec> tortus, they don't do that because no one in their country wants to connect to one we aren't on
<gloriae> the WEST GERMAN wide web
<gloriae> the FRENCH wide web
<gloriae> like that **** is more universal
<Emil^> sure and sure and sure
<gloriae> NOT
<Bloc> tortus, it's negotiation i guess..and technically they can
<tortus> lotec: that is the elephant in the room
<Emil^> the only countries that want to LEAVE the www so far that i know are: iran, chinca and n. korea
<Bloc> and apparently it's a big enough deal that americans are yelling 'NO'
<Emil^> bloc - you dont get it do you
<Bloc> whatever...let's see what happens in a few years
<gloriae> I can understand why some countries want more censorship
<gloriae> there is so much crap online
<Bloc> not much a few irc doods can do about this
<Emil^> bloc - america is happy - it's europe who is *****ing cuz they want control - or worse yet - they want
<gloriae> I have no trouble understanding that desire to limit the worst excesses
<Bloc> Emil^. yep
<tortus> seems to me that a move to make the domains country codes instead of the current categories, that would be a precursor to taxation on the internet
<Lotec> gloriae, who decides where those start and stop? Islamists?
<Emil^> if you dont want to be a part of the www - i say that's your problem as a country
<Bloc> tortus, taxation happens, depending where you are
<gloriae> it reminds me of Wavy Gravy's story about a flight he was on to NYC in the early 1970s, telling how he went up to the cabin to as "can I steer?"
<tortus> bloc: really?
<Bloc> yep
<gloriae> to ask*
<Bloc> US is the only country to not tax inet shopping
<tortus> well, that is noteworthy
<Emil^> that's their problem if their not connected to the rest of the world
<Bloc> which a ton ton of B&B US corporations are trying to get rid of
<gloriae> there is more to freedom than pornography and grotesqueries
<Bloc> B&M i mean
<tortus> possibly related to the current uproar
<gloriae> and it's not islamists alone who have reason to want to limit that
<Bloc> well it's $$ and the gov wants it
<Emil^> the arrogance of certain countries - i find - well arrogant
<Bloc> Emil^, hehe
<Emil^> you have a choice - either you can be a part of our internet or not
<Bloc> Emil^, arrogance depends on what side yer on
<gloriae> man, spicy spring rolls for 2 am breakfast
<Bloc> i just call it protectionism
<Emil^> bloc - when china has the only internet and we have an issue then make that issue
<Bloc> and it's what every country does
<Emil^> every country is free to decide to be a part of www or not
<qpl> i remember when the internet was black and white
<Bloc> and every country own's their hardware for their portion of the inet
<Lotec> Emil, we may have been mistaken. There may be one American stupid enough to go along with this
<Emil^> lotec - i just pray we're not stupid enough to share billions of developmental dollars..........
<Emil^> it is what IT IS
<Bloc> was it really billions?
<Bloc> cause where arey ou getting that number from?
<tortus> they can use their hardware to tax themselves. and be happy with that
<Emil^> bloc - yes!!
<Bloc> actual cost to setup fibre right now and buy a few servers is no way a few billion
<Emil^> sure - but what can we do - it's all public now - it's your call on what you wanna do
<Lotec> Bloc, it was when it had never been done before
<Bloc> well i guess we owe graham bell some money too
<Lotec> R&D is expensive
<Emil^> bloc - and to add to that - the u.s. is more than gracious when it comes to sharing intellectual property
<tortus> its not like we have not had discussion in the us about how to control internet, how to grow it, whether to tax it. this has already been decided.
<Bloc> Emil^, that stuff is all moot...
<tortus> some us politicians are stiull trying to tax the internet here
<Bloc> if you don't have a patent, or a trademark you don't have a case
<tortus> and they get an earful
<Emil^> blocc - sure it's moot - it's your call..........do you want you country to be a part of this??? well most say yes
<tortus> bloc: correct: anyone can create an internet.
<tortus> but, does that mean we sould turn over control of this one?
<Bloc> on the master DNS servers?
<Lotec> We have possession, don't need a patent
<Emil^> to me this is once again yet another case - where teh EU has as big headd
<Bloc> total control no...but i'm guessing the EU just wants one of their own
<tortus> no. the eu wants control of the existing internet
<Bloc> i think you're making the inet more elite than it really is
<Lotec> Bloc, let em disconnect and run theirs like they want
<Emil^> bloc - the UE can do whaatever it wants - but it cant' make us give up what we created
<tortus> they do not have to ask the us for permission to creat their own
<Bloc> launching satellites...tougher than creating the inet?
<Emil^> and the LAST THING the internet shoudl be is ai top down type systemj
<tortus> they are asking to control the existing internet
<Bloc> Emil^, okee:)
<Bloc> anyways
<Bloc> next topic...i just can see the EU going on with this no matter how much you guys don't like it
<Emil^> bloc - of course they will! they're arrogant and want control
<Emil^> bloc - i dont blame them - but they will fail
<Bloc> not worth going on about the inet for more than the time we've discussed:)
<Emil^> the only reason the EU and asia and russia etc.... care...is cuz of the money that is being changed hands
<Bloc> Emil^, yep
<tortus> if i have to choose between a us based internet with no taxation, and going to a eu internet with taxation, well, let me think
<coldstove> thankssssss a lot
<Bloc> Emil^, local corporations who want top level domains
<Lotec> I don't really need to be on an internet with the EU
<coldstove> I don't have my own ip. my computer is connected with a router and it uses proxy. It's beyond of my control.
<Emil^> tortus - yet again a great way to stifle free speach
<Bloc> anyways...once man's arrogance is another man's cheerleader
<Bloc> anyone watching the colbert report?
<Bloc> "Isn't a Centrist someone without the balls to be a fanatic?"
<Emil^> bloc he's funny i think
<Bloc> or my other favor "Keep your facts I'm going with the truth."
<coldstove> pickle/personally I appreciate you.
<Bloc> "You're one of the "Heroes" if you agree with me."
<tortus> and anyone who disagrees is not facing facts?
<Emil^> bloc i have no clue what your'e saying - so apparently i'm not hero
<Bloc> just amusin take on entertainment/opinion/news shows
<Bloc> just an amusin take on entertainment/opinion/news shows
<Cpt_Kirk> how many holiday days do Americans have in the year?
<Bloc> 12 stat days?
<Emil^> cpt_kirk - it varies - the majority have 5-6
<Bloc> one for each month and two in xmas
<tortus> there was similar squirming with the establishment when porinting made books available to the general public
<Emil^> but then again - americans works more hours annualy than damn near everyone else
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