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<Emil^> but then again - americans works more hours annualy than damn near everyone else
<tortus> the urge to censor is strong in establishment circles
<Bloc> even private companies in the US had some fun censoring opposing ISP's last week
<Cpt_Kirk> yeah - it seems americans work more than the chinese or japs do?
<Bloc> level 3 and that other one
<tortus> yeah.
<tortus> that is not respectable, imho
<Emil^> cpt_kirk - be reasonable - france's work weak is 32 hours
<Emil^> cpt_kirK - american work from 40-60 hour weekly
<Emil^> nice try
<Bloc> not sure if working harder or smarter is more ideal
<Emil^> bloc - of the 32 industrialized/modern countries - americans works **** hours
<Cpt_Kirk> I dont think that contradicts what I just said.
<Emil^> cpt_kirK - perhaps it's doenst - i just wanted to be clear
<Bloc> i rather like spanish siestas
<Emil^> americans are hard core workers - 2 weeks vacation is a blessing to most
<Bloc> nap at 2 pm to 3 pm woot:)
<Bloc> then stay out till 12/ 1 am drnking a partying
<Emil^> i'de like to have a siesta and also drink absenth druing my time off as wel
<Emil^> of all the industrial nations - american workers are the most fvcked
<coldstove> not true.
<Bloc> there are a of range i figure
<Emil^> coldstove - keep in mine i said industrialiized nations
<Bloc> there are a lot of range in american workers
<Bloc> cripes bad grammar/spelling this time of day;P
<coldstove> Emil^/ korean workers are much more pissed off than american workers
<Emil^> bloc - no worries- my typinings is just as bad
<Emil^> coldsstove - i said indusrialized countries - not 2nd world or 3rd world
<Bloc> anyways:) peace out
<coldstove> Emil^/that categorization is not effective to understand this world.
<coldstove> Emil^/ korea is an industrialzed nation.
<Emil^> coldstove - do what now?
<Emil^> s. korea sure you can include them
<Emil^> that's a toss up tho - not sure if they really are 2nd or 3rd world
<Lotec> coldstove, S Korea or N Korea?
<coldstove> Emil^/as you said, korea might be one of the 3rd world countries. but still it is industrialized.
<coldstove> S.korea
<Emil^> coldstove - well you love the UN - lets take their position
<coldstove> I don't love UN.
<tortus> i need to stop using google. i better download copernic again
<Lotec> tortus, why/
<Emil^> coldstove _ sorry didn't meant o front
<tortus> lotec: too much trash in the google returns
<coldstove> that's ok. I'm just trying to say fact.
<Emil^> coldstove - it is what it is
<coldstove> when you say 3rd world, what does it implies?
<Lotec> We should poll coldstove on our previous topic about the net
<tortus> 3rd world means mostly agrarian, mostly illiterate
<Emil^> coldstove - use common sensen plz - you knwo what i mean
<tortus> second world is newly industrializing
<Emil^> 1st world = modern 2nd world = technology
<Emil^> 3rd world = well.............the rest
<Emil^> c'mon dont tell me that the term 3rd world is esoteric
<tortus> i have the characteristics in a econ text that is 5 years old. but i think the names have changed recently
<coldstove> that's why I said it's not effective to describe this world.
<tortus> 3rd world means mostly agrarian, mostly illiterate
<Lotec> S Korea is 2nd world. N Korea is 3rd
<tortus> 2nd world used to be code for communist, btw
<Emil^> to really belive the term '3rd world' is esoteric?? that's rather austentationasly derived
<coldstove> rather, it implies a kind of circle at the center US is located.
<tortus> i think the 3 worlds are more a hamhanded way to describe the phase of the economy
<Emil^> have you ever taken even a economics 101 course???
<coldstove> me?
<Emil^> we shoudl not have to explain such blatent obvious facts
<tortus> prolly less than 25% of people have taken econ 101
<coldstove> Emil^/ it's not a fact, it's a just tool to describe this world.
<tortus> since, about 25% have a ba. and not all of those take econ
<Emil^> coldstove - i hate to use big words - but well
<Emil^> it's rather
<Emil^> ostentatiously pedantic
<tortus> coldstove: my opiniono is that all of economics is provincial and bigoted, if not outright offensive
<Emil^> that is my best 2 word description
<tortus> emil: i always liked "elephantine pedant"
<tortus> i think a rebel said it though
<Emil^> pedant......i can only ***ume is a derivitave
<tortus> evelyn waugh?
<tortus> coldstove: some economists have been just short of criminal in what they taught.
<tortus> i spit on it all
<coldstove> tortus/you went too much far
<Emil^> tortus - i hear ya - but not near as elegeant of an adjetive
<tortus> by spitting?
<tortus> or calling them criminal?
<tortus> i sorta liked the spit. i could give up criminal
<tortus> malthus (sp) was criminal far as i am concerned, and he was a major figure in economics for decades
<tortus> part of the eugenics movement
<tortus> a leader
<tortus> friend to the nazi
<tortus> and who did he mentor? keynes
<tortus> and who spouts keynes?
<Lotec> coldstove, earlier we we're talking about the EU *demanding* the US relinquish control of the Internet to the UN. What do you think?
<tortus> for me. that makes all of economics creepy
<coldstove> Lotec/did I? I don't remember...
<coldstove> Lotec/ I guess there was another coldstove ...
<Lotec> cold, just before you came in. I just wondered what you think
<coldstove> Lotec/did you verify him as korean?
<arcade> Lotec: The "control over the Internet" is just an illusion.
<arcade> Lotec: They're quarrelling about a bunch of root DNS servers.
<Emil^> arcade - umm........ have you ever taken any computer cl***? do you understand even teh basics about routing?
<Lotec> arcade, that is part of it
<coldstove> Lotec/ I really don't have any memory of talking about EU..
<arcade> Emil^: Well, as that is actually what I work with .. ;)
<arcade> Emil^: And sorry, the US don't control the BGP routing table. ;)
<Lotec> cold, it was before you came in. I was trying to include you now that you are here
<arcade> Emil^: the US controls the root DNS servers, which has nothing to do with routing.,
<Emil^> arcade - be proud them man you're smart
<Emil^> arcade tell us how to better 'fix' this sytstem so the US has no control?
<arcade> Emil^: You cannot just "fix" it. The point is that it's up the various DNS server operators which root servers they use, and common consensus _is_ to use the regular ones.
<Emil^> i mean afterall the UN should be all about this - i mean how dare the US pretend to have a right to control sucha global entity
<coldstove> Lotec/ok I got you.
<arcade> Emil^: And since it's the internet after all, nothing _prevents_ the EU from setting up their own root servers, but no sane person would use them.
<Chrisjoy> tyv er tyv
<arcade> Emil^: The EU basically want to _hijack_ the current root servers.. kinda reminding me about Alternic.
<Emil^> arcade - i mean how dare the us anyway pretend just cuz they spent billion to developt sucha stytem - how dare those b***tards think they should have a say over it
<arcade> Emil^: Eh? So, if you make something .. it's under your control .. and everyone starts using it.. do you want to relinquish that control?
<arcade> Emil^: "How dare microsoft sit on their windows operating system when all the world is using it! they should relinquish control to the UN!'
<Lotec> arcade, I suspect the idea is to eventually censor the internet
<Emil^> arcaade - well apparently the US is arrogrant to even remotely pretend they have a right to manage such a system
<roster> the US is arrogant?
<Emil^> yeah - the us is all about censoring **** - thank got for country's like iran
<arcade> Emil^: Well, then the EU should try setting up their own root servers and talk ISPs into using those instead ("fat chance" ;)
<roster> if anything its giving
<roster> if arrogance follows thats your problem
<Emil^> it's just wrong - how DARE THE US HAVE THE GALL to pretend to use teh internet for their purposes
<arcade> Emil^: What's wrong? And I *hope* you are ironic.
<Emil^> lets all piss on the US
<coldstove> Lotec/I read the first part of the article that you told me...but I'm wondering..internet started in US...it was a kind of scholartic-military tool at the beginning.
<Lotec> cold, yeah
<Emil^> i mean **** the fact the us spent billions to develop the internet - it's not all a fair game type entity
<Lotec> cold, our feeling is if they want control, let em build their own network and disonnect from ours
<Emil^> the us has no right to use the internet at all - we need the UN to tell us how to use our technology i hear
<arcade> Emil^: The internet was developed my many more nations than the US! ;)
<tortus> a lot of individuals have volunteered to get internet going
<arcade> Emil^: It's only fair that other countries get their share of the control of the internet, when other nations have done so much for it!
<Emil^> arcade = yeah your'e right - the us has no right to claim any right
<arcade> Emil^: Exactly!
<tortus> and relinquished control of it time and time again
<tortus> this is no time for petty nations to attempt a regulation
<arcade> Emil^: I mean, look at the web, developed in Europe.
<arcade> Emil^: I mean, look at IRC, which we're currently using - developed in Europe!
<Emil^> arcade - the us - well piss on them - THEY ARE AMERICA - it's their job to spend billions to support the rest of world - how dare those fvckers to think they have the right
<Emil^> any intellectual property of the US - fvck them ehh?
<arcade> Emil^: Yup! The UN should take over the administration of both IP ranges, AS numbers, domain names, root servers, and so forth!
<RainDog> haha
<Emil^> the UN should take control over teh US military too for that matter
<arcade> And when it proves too expensive, we'll just send the bill to the US, as they haven't paid their fees in full for many years anyways!
<Emil^> the US has no right to pretend like their the police of the world ehh
<Emil^> the US may have developed the internet - and they should continue to fund it for the rest of us!!!
<arcade> I mean, it's the US fault that the UN is a tad inefficient from time to time - the US hasn't paid their dues, and you cannot be efficient without the money to burn!
<tortus> can you buy stock in icaan?
<tortus> i think it may be privately held
<squidink> no.
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