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<Emil^> we all have the right to disagree- but just cuz you dont agree - to label someone a liberal, democorat, communist - that is bowl ****
<tortus> privacy
<tortus> consorship
<Emil^> chances are you're wrong if your'e labelign people in this channel
<coldstove> tortus/I know
<squidink> Dwaine: anyone who says they dont favor politics that benefit them, is either lying, or ****ing retarded.
<Dwaine> whining is easily labeled
<tortus> coldstove: i am against it
<Dwaine> gimme mine, or I whine
<squidink> politics is all about gaining benefit to your own sector of the sphere.
<Gazpacho> Emil^: what?
<panini> Emil no, the label might be accurate
<squidink> anyone who says politics is for the greater good, or supports a law that hurts them while helping others, well, i guess im hanging out with ayn rand, because im going to have to call them an idiot.
<panini> in fact, it usually is
<Emil^> panini - just like how i was labled a communist cuz i thought we should trade with cuba............a differetn story - but still
<Gazpacho> Emil^: you are obviously unable to read my remarks in context, so please stop responding to them.
<squidink> we should trade with cuba
<panini> yes we should
<Emil^> gazpacho - keep on keeping on
<squidink> what better way to show them capitalism works, then to make them all filthy rich?
<Lotec> squidink, that's what bugs me about limosine liberals. You know they lie
<squidink> Lotec: indeed.
<tortus> taxing sales on the internet involves keeping track of the where the seller is located, and applying the rules for that area. so, if you have business, you would be keeping track of that. right now. in the us, you are required to pay sales tax on what you buy, but there is not automatic tracking
<squidink> Lotec: "tax the rich! tax the rich! i only made 580 million last year! im not rich! tax the rich!"
<Gazpacho> when someone doesn't even shut up when you give him the "what" treatment you know he's an idiot
<tortus> and this is not even taking into account the eu rules
<Emil^> gazpacho - heh - funny you'd say that......but keep going
<Gazpacho> Emil^: what?
<Emil^> lol
<tortus> although, some regions in the us have tracked down and prosecuted people for buying cigarettes on teh internet
<coldstove> Lotec/ you asked me of what I think about EU's suggestion on internet structure.
<squidink> Lotec: the way i see it, politics was invented because people are social animals, and killing people for what they have and you want, leaves you kind of lonely.
<tortus> because they aboided state sales tax
<Gazpacho> tortus: cigarettes = hitler
<Emil^> <Emil^> gazpacho - if you hate someone say why you do - to call lotec a left winger - you're a blantend ***
<Gazpacho> <Emil^> <Emil^> gazpacho - if you hate someone say why you do - to call lotec a left winger - you're a blantend ***
<tortus> gaz: its all relative
<Emil^> people love to lavel others
<Emil^> i find this wrong
<coldstove> Lotec/I don't have my own answer. because I don't have much knowledge about technical aspects of internet.
<Lotec> cold, good answer
<squidink> Lotec: it other words, politics is an entirely natural human development.
<Emil^> squid - why do you label lotec as such? be specific plz
<Gazpacho> oh come on, nobody wants to play cascade?
<squidink> what did i label lotec as?
<squidink> did i label someone?
<coldstove> Lotec/ but..I'm interested in one thing.
<squidink> i might libel someone, but label them? nah.
<Lotec> Emil, it was so ridiculous I took it as a joke
<tortus> sqid: i think you called us social animals
<coldstove> Lotec/ I think this world has tree structure(roughly speaking). from computer to international relationship
<squidink> heh.
<Lotec> cold?
<squidink> humans ARE social animals.
<tortus> you animal
<coldstove> Lotec/ but internet is a kind of web. it is connected with each other.
<squidink> you are an animal, last time i checked, we're made of organic tissues, same as monkeys, squid, etc.
<coldstove> Lotec/ after reading the article, I realized I was wrong. internet itself has a tree structure?
<tortus> animal is a good word.
<tortus> i was joshin
<squidink> if i had to label lotec though, id say hes a kennedy democrat, not the post modern social welfare rhetoric spewing type, id wage he votes republican a lot, but prefers the moderate types with rational voices, like mccain, but he isnt opposed to voting third party when they represent his interests, and he really wishes the democrats would get real, because he isnt into the christian fundamentalism that the right is leaning towards these days.
<tortus> there are some huge machines that populate the bacbone of the internet. they are paid for in various ways
<tortus> prolly not by the un, though
<Lotec> squid, I vote straight GOP
<CometBaby> squidink .. lol. You are sure quick with the labels.
<CometBaby> you missed that time
<tortus> squidink: that had to be projection
<CometBaby> tortus .. hahaha
<tortus> ahahaha
<CometBaby> morning all :)
<Nemes> ooohh coool, the sunday politics shows is a special today :) the interviewer is on airforce 2 flying to meet up with jack straw and his equal in the states condy rice, and do an interview with them live :)
<tortus> morning comet
<Lotec> mornin, CB
<Nemes> should be interesting
<CometBaby> hey tortus, lotec, emil ;)
<squidink> like i said, i dont like to label people, just libel them, im no good at labeling, i'd bet 40 years ago though, lotec would have been voting democrat.
<coldstove> Good evening Comet!
<squidink> the gop, other then the far right, is kind of where the democrats were 40 years ago, and the democrats are kind of where the socialists were.
<Lotec> squid, only because I live in the South
<squidink> so i wasnt that far off then.
<CometBaby> cold !!!!!!!
<CometBaby> you rascal .. where have you been?
<tortus> hopefully straw is not in the brit mode of confrontation that i see on tv, in the british parliament
<CometBaby> it's about time you turned up :)
<Lotec> squid, the South used to vote Democrat regardless of if you were left or right. Most of us were always conservative though
<coldstove> CometBaby/please. I'm not rascal. trust me.
<CometBaby> lol
<squidink> Lotec: true, i'd say that has a lot to do with where the democrat party used to be on the issues a lot though too.
<Lotec> squid, it was because of Reconstruction
<squidink> agreed.
<coldstove> tortus/thanks you. I was suspected to stew spam
<squidink> its kind of like california and democrats.
<squidink> or washington state.
<CometBaby> coldstove .. I'm waiting for you to bring me up-to-date .. what's new with you?
<tortus> the dem party needs to leapfrog over the conservative thing, and do some real progressive politics. now that would make politics interesting again
<coldstove> CometBaby/I was suspected to stew spam. I have been banned but pickle got me in today
<tortus> there is a joke in there
<CometBaby> ahhh
<squidink> we always get a ****ing democrat, because we had a couple bad republicans, but the democrats have systematically driven out small business, major corporations, and are now working on doctors.
<CometBaby> sorry about that
<CometBaby> dang
<CometBaby> if that happens .. send me a message. I will get it and fix it.
<coldstove> CometBaby/ I'm under new system. but it's bad system.
<CometBaby> even if I am not here at the time I can fix it when I come in
<Lotec> squid, that could be a problem
<CometBaby> cold .. actually it has really helped make the channel a lot safer from haxors.
<coldstove> CometBaby/ I mean new working system.
<squidink> i dont think the democrats in this state will be happy until everyone lives in box housing and lives off welfare.
<tortus> coldstove: i alwasy though you interesting and never abusive. i am glad you are back
<coldstove> CometBaby/ oh yeah. I know. I understand. I'm talking about me. ^^
<squidink> amusingly its actually seattle that swings the vote democrat, the rest of the state is pretty red.
<Lotec> squid, they want the rest of us to generate their power and refine their gas too
<squidink> Lotec: oh yeah, dont forget that.
<coldstove> tortus/it sounds strange...I can't remember your nick.
<coldstove> tortus/maybe you changed your nick?
<tortus> coldstove: tttwisted. tme
<coldstove> omg
<coldstove> I got you
<squidink> Lotec: gas prices up here made me mad, we have our own refineries, but we sell it all to other states.
<CometBaby> you know zell miller was one of those who represented the deep south .. and I will never, ever, forget his speech at the RNC. It has to be the speech of the era.
<tortus> be afraid. be very afraid
<Lotec> CB, I have the mp3 somewhere
<squidink> what speech was this?
<squidink> i dont really pay attention to what politicals say, just what they do.
<coldstove> tortus/ I ***ociate you with your field work. it's easy to recognize you
<squidink> oh i see.
<CometBaby> lotec .. if you find it .. could you send it to me?
<Lotec> Comet, I will. Look at www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/convention2004/zellmiller2004rnc.htm
<tortus> coldstove: nice to see you again
<CometBaby> oh ok
<coldstove> tortus/is it you who did field work?
<CometBaby> yep there it is .. I'll grab it
<coldstove> tortus/ If my memory is correct, it must be you
<tortus> coldstove: the social stuff?
<Nemes> you know what - looking at condy rice and jack straw toor the states its looking an awfull lot like gop is big-upping condy ready for her to run for the whitehosue
<coldstove> tortus/ yeah..
<tortus> yeah.
<coldstove> tortus/I think..memory is a kind of secret code between people.
<CometBaby> thanks!
<tortus> coldstove: and you were reporting what was going on in korea
<Lotec> Nemes, she says she doesn't want to run, but if they piss off Cheney, she may be the VP
<coldstove> tortus/ when we try to identify others, the easiest way is checking out memory each other.
<Nemes> Lotec, hrmm... don't they all say that thought at 1st
<Lotec> Nemes, I tend to think Condi says what she really means
<coldstove> tortus/ yeah. here in korea...I don't know what is going on. myself.
<Nemes> i mean maybe i am wrong and its just an honest to goodness clear atempt to bigup the special relationship and get past the old style diplomacy between states and uk.
<coldstove> tortus/ some people seem to take US as an enemy, others still remain as friendly
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