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<Hangfire> infact they've been handling the NK situation very very well
<Hangfire> better than China imo
<coldstove> squidink/ I feel so, and it's true.
<squidink> i like the japense, they're friendly, make cool toys, and have tasty food.
<coldstove> Hangfire/ they? who are they?
<Hangfire> squidink remember this though Korea has been shat upon by China and Japan repeatedly it's a big cultural thing there that koreans in general have issues with both the chinese and the japanese
<coldstove> squidink/ generally speaking, japanese people are much more polite than koreans.
<squidink> coldstove: uh, other then taiwan, name one place where china wants to "expand," bear in mind, that the chinese feel taiwan is part of the ancient chinese empire borders, which they currently inhabit.
<Hangfire> squidink he's going to bring up Tibet now
<squidink> china is internalized, and is anything but expansionist, if they were expansionist, why havent they anexed the rest of se asia?
<Hangfire> and then when I brought up 1000 years ago of history he says "that's not relevant"
<squidink> its entirely ****ing relevant!
<coldstove> squidink/ Nobody can be sure china won't take the north Korea in the future.
<Hangfire> hey don't ask me dude
<squidink> its what the revolution was all about. ALL ABOUT.
<tortus> well, during that 1000 years, china was invaded by mongols, for example
<squidink> the whole idea was to return china to the size and status of the previous ancient empire.
<Hangfire> squidink and I quote <coldstove> Hangfire/ I'm not talking about thousand year ago history.
<squidink> i mean, that was thier whole damn platform, to return china to the status that it enjoyed in its past, lets set aside the cultural revolution for the moment, but seriously.
<Hangfire> hey don't look at me!
<squidink> mao wasnt expansionist, he just wanted what he felt was chinas.
<coldstove> Hangfire/ yeah. I'm talking about modern history not to mention thousand year ago history.
<Hangfire> I'm the one who TRIED to get it included
<Hangfire> SEE!
<coldstove> Hangfire/what's wrong with that?
<squidink> and now, they have 1.3 billion people, why the **** would they want more?
<squidink> china has been an internalized nation for what, 8000 years?
<Hangfire> nah
<Hangfire> close on to 4000
<squidink> ok, as a nation, 4000 years!
<Hangfire> but the borders have been rather fluid
<Hangfire> well there was also the three kingdoms period
<Hangfire> and all the other stuff
<tortus> if you look at the map, korea looks like part of chinese continent
<tortus> then we have the islands
<Hangfire> but "modern" china or so has been around for 2000 years
<Hangfire> in it's curretnt shape
<Hangfire> a few extras and a few losses here and there
<Hangfire> but tbh it's been roughly the same shape for 1500-2000 years
<coldstove> tortus/ China had tried it before.
<tortus> well, people live in those areas of few losses here and there
<squidink> theres a chinese belief, translates as "China is the world" which is expanded as "there is the world of china, and then there is the rest of the world, but first there is china"
<tortus> they have developed separate identities over the centures
<Hangfire> I'm talking about region
<Hangfire> and mos of those regions have as a majority an ethnically han population
<squidink> im just saying.
<Hangfire> and please note
<squidink> if china is expansionist, it goes again 4000 years of easily established precedence.
<Hangfire> I said "ETHNIC"
<coldstove> Hangfire/ I'm waiting the chinese minority races stand up and revolt against chinese government.
<Hangfire> ROFL
<Hangfire> SEE
<Hangfire> I TOLD YOU
<squidink> and if you disregard history in relation to modern countries, well, thats idiotic.
<coldstove> Hangfire/ They have nothing to do with mainland china
<Hangfire> he's a ****ing nutjob
<tortus> any korean or chinese can recognize a korean or chines on sight
<Hangfire> THE MINORITY RACES ARE IN MAINLAND CHINA
<Hangfire> jesus
<squidink> history dictates so much of modern life, its not even funny.
<Hangfire> now you see?
<Hangfire> he's the one who's going on about "races"
<squidink> look at the jews! 3000 years of persecution!
<Hangfire> I knew it would set him off
<coldstove> tortus/ no it's not true, I tried it before but I failed. I couldn't distinguish chinese people from korean with their faces.
<tortus> squidink: yup. semetic people have similar separation
<squidink> nothing drives me nuts more then when people disregard history and its effect on modern life.
<Hangfire> squidink now you understand all my previous groundwork
<Hangfire> it was to set off coldstove here
<coldstove> Hangfire/ You are really , really stupid and ignorant.
<Hangfire> and he's gone off nicely
<tortus> coldstove: i see
<Hangfire> ho hum
<coldstove> Hangfire/ You have no knowledge about chinese minority people on the border.
<squidink> coldstove: your opinion that China is expansionist, in my own honest opinion, is alarmist, incorrect, and doesn't seem to be based off any presentable facts.
<coldstove> Hangfire/ Their ethinic identity has nothing to do with China.
<Hangfire> squidink you see why I pushed those buttons before now?
<Hangfire> =D
<coldstove> squidink/ it's just <your> view.
<tortus> well, there is the fact that china has troops lined up at the korean border
<coldstove> squidink/ You can't say <your own opinion> as objective. but I respect your opinion as yours.
<Hangfire> tortus that's mostly to control the immigrant problem
<squidink> here's a big one, ok, NK has no nukes, well maybe one or two, and they have a decent sized army, but not terribly modern, the rest of the world, doesnt much care for NK, and china has a very modern arsenal, and 100x the population, why dont they just annex it?
<Hangfire> NK refugees are streaming over
<tortus> from nk
<Hangfire> yep
<coldstove> squidink/ let me ask you something. have you read any chinese history book?
<tortus> is there a reason china cannot accept koreans?
<Hangfire> tortus they're **** poor and they don't need anymore refugees
<Hangfire> the situation would become uncontrollable and the number of refugees would increase the organised crime strawngelhold on the region
<coldstove> tortus/ I really don't like his vocabulary.
<Hangfire> it's rife with black marketeers and smugglers
<squidink> coldstove: that particular opinion ive expressed, is also shared by a decent percentage of the united states military, asia, and the UN, as well as many analysts around the globe, who make a living determining those kinds of things.
<coldstove> Hangfire/ Whenever I talk with you, you reminds me of expansionist china with your words and voca.
<Hangfire> what words and voca?
<squidink> coldstove: modern chinese history book, or ancient chinese history?
<Hangfire> all I've said is NK refugees are dirt poor and china wants nothing to do with them
<Hangfire> hence the control
<coldstove> squidink/ I asked you something. have you read any chinese history book?
<squidink> last thing china wants is more mouths to feed.
<Hangfire> they also stattioned troops there to stop the black marketeering and the human trafficking by organised criminal enterprises
<Hangfire> so what ON EARTH have I said that's expansionistic you ****ing moron?
<squidink> coldstove: Again, modern chinese history book, or ancient chinese history?
<coldstove> squidink/ ancient.
<Hangfire> the NK'ers are **** poor?
<Hangfire> well they are
<squidink> coldstove: yes.
<coldstove> squidink/could you name?
<Hangfire> how is that expansionistic?
<Hangfire> well?
<squidink> coldstove: i couldnt give you a title off hand, ive read more history books then i could shake a 500' stick at, and its 5am.
<Hangfire> squidink dude he's the one me saying that NK'ers are dirty poor and china doesn't want them and that the black market and organised crime are strong in the border area = me sounding like expansionist china
<Hangfire> you work it out
<squidink> Hangfire
<Hangfire> I don't get it
<squidink> im pointing things out to you, because coldstove isnt listening to me.
<squidink> just think of you as my proxy.
<Hangfire> he doesn't listen to anyone
<Hangfire> he just rants and rambles on
<coldstove> squidink/ Hangfire mentionned before Three kingdom stage of chinese history. There is a great chinese novel about that era. We koreans(so many) read that book several times in life.
<squidink> oh.
<squidink> your korean.
<coldstove> squidink/I am.
<Hangfire> squidink DING DING DING!
<squidink> you can stop talking now.
<Hangfire> exactly
<squidink> ive never, ever, met anyone as racist as koreans.
<Hangfire> LOL
<Hangfire> squidink more than chinese?
<Hangfire> dude that's saying a LOT
<Hangfire> rol
<Nemes> f
<Nemes> :)
<squidink> way more then chinese.
<squidink> for example
<squidink> a local city here
<squidink> the koreans refused to interact with basically, which seems typical of them, so
<squidink> the city, get this
<squidink> its funny
<coldstove> squidink/ I think your statement might be true. but the statement itself can be a proof that you have strong bias based on nationalities.
<squidink> rezones, and places the red light district in the middle of the korean area of town, and proposes a law to move all the porn stores and such there
<Hangfire> sweet
<Hangfire> bahahahahaha
<squidink> so finally the koreans went to the city and were like "what the ****?" so the city politely reminded them that they arnt just koreans, but americans too, and that they lived in the city and ought to act like it.
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