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<Linus--> you take a rolex and install crappy parts, its not a good watch despite the brains behind the design
<bmc> well when i worked she isnt providing 50% of my upkeep
<bmc> heh
<Katey> It also looks like the medication is being studied for the purposes of treating health disorders
<KoBushi> bmc if you conider housing cost I bet she is
<bmc> i payed rent, thats 50% right there
<KoBushi> bmc ah, well your not working now though, so your a depedant again :P
<bmc> yes
<MadScribe> Katey: that's an older study on humans
<bmc> my car died too
<bmc> heh
<Katey> MadScribe, Where did you read that this medication will be used to create a 120 hr work week?
<bmc> i need to fix that pos
<MadScribe> Katey: that isn't the initial push, but that is what will come of it
<haku1> i wish i could have a 120 hour work week
<haku1> katey, what medication?
<KoBushi> bmc I've got a 96 neon for sale for $2500 ... 53,000 miles on it
<Linus--> it does seem ludicrous to think that the wealthy spending more of their discretionary income will help the economy much
<Katey> MadScribe, Oh. So this is coming from your imagination? :)
<tortus> i would not work 120 in a week
<KoBushi> :P
<Linus--> since they aren't spending it on staples
<bmc> i have figured out an amount, i need $15/hr minimum to live comfortably
<MadScribe> Katey: from history
<bmc> used to be $10/hr
<Katey> MadScribe, what history?
<bmc> has to be $15/hr now
<Linus--> or at staples :)
<haku1> a 120 hour work week sounds awesome
<tortus> thre are only 168 hrs in a week?
<Linus--> yes
<MadScribe> Katey: let's consider that there are some people will be willing to do it, just because they can
<bmc> actually $500/wk after taxes is what i really need
<MadScribe> employers will come to expect it
<tortus> that doesn't even leave enough time for sleeping
<bmc> heh, to cover all costs and save
<Katey> tortus, I don't think people would survive very long staying awake that many hours
<KoBushi> Linus-- all monetary exchange is money back into the economy.... when you force that to happen at all levels it will imrpove the economy.
<tortus> people are sposed to sleep 8 hrs per day
<Linus--> that gives you 48 hrs to sleep, eat, have ***, commute, raise your kids
<KoBushi> including the lower sectors
<bmc> 8 hrs of day is to much sleep
<Katey> MadScribe I think you've been reading too much sci-fi. :)
<bmc> its good for kids in school
<bmc> but adults dont need anymore than 6
<bmc> :P
<MadScribe> Linus--: I spend 42hrs a week sleeping
<arcade> I've changed my mind. The first thing we should do is not to kill all lawyers. It's to kill all middle management that imposes stupid decisions upon sysadmins.
<Linus--> kob, most wealthy people reinvest the money to avoid taxes
<MadScribe> Katey: never read this anywhere, it just makes sense
<Katey> MadScribe, no, it doesn't
<bud``> i worked hard, prolly 100+ hours a week running a business. bought a house and cars. wtf is anyone entitled to 1/2
<KoBushi> Linus-- that is why they should be encouraged to SPEND money in exchange or ***ets to avoid taxes
<Linus--> stock buys used to fuel company growth, now they just are like gambling
<MadScribe> reality is, there have been plenty of times i've pulled 70hr plus weeks wishing i could focus for more
<bmc> nobody is entitled to anything you make
<Linus--> kob, i can see that point
<bmc> but they are going to take it
<bud``> 3 years i spent working for me
<Katey> 70hrs is one thing
<KoBushi> The only thing in that scheme which shouldn't be a tax deduction is land
<bmc> so as long as they take an equal share, its fair
<KoBushi> Linus-- the tax scheme is sort of an enforced version of trickle down
<bmc> 50% of top bracket is no 'fair'
<tortus> 70 hrs is 10 hrs per day, 7 days a week
<bmc> not*
<Linus--> but really, they would be spending it on high end trinkets and other stuff, made by industries that employ few
<MadScribe> Katey: thinking i could have gotten more done if i hadn't been sleeping under my desk for 6hrs a night
<Katey> You'd also have to ***ume that docs would prescribe this medicine to allow people to deliberately deprive themselves of sleep
<tortus> w would not work 70 per wek either
<Linus--> not like they're buying more food or clothing or tires
<KoBushi> Linus-- trickle down, like communism, works on paper ... but w/o a means to force the money to flow, there is no tricckle dwn
<bmc> if they take 25% of $300
<Katey> I just don't think the medical community would go for it
<bmc> they should take like 75% of $5000
<Linus--> there surely is no trickle down
<KoBushi> Linus-- that's fine, those industries that employe few still hav to buy things
<bud``> tortus I put in 16 hour days, for the best part of three years. Now I sit back and enjoy my home and no debts.
<Linus--> that's been proven
<Linus--> as the income gap widens
<bmc> figure it up proportionally
<KoBushi> Linus-- so; this tax scheme forces trickle down to take place.
<tortus> bud: i might do it for a proscribed period. but not for an employer
<bmc> to equally tax $5k/wk the same as $300/wk how much tax would eahc pay?
<KoBushi> Linus-- the only down side is that if there were ever a large depression, it'd **** everyone :P
<MadScribe> tortus: when i did it, i was trying to finish up a big project, worked from 9am-3am sleping under my desk till 8am, shower, repeat
<Linus--> i still maintain the number one problem the usa and its workforce face is health care costs
<bud``> only way to get rich is to be the boss, not work for one
<MadScribe> ****s on salary
<Linus--> economically
<bmc> so does anyone have a figure?
<Linus--> not the tax code
<tortus> mad: for yourself, or for an employer?
<MadScribe> tortus: employer
<Katey> yeah, my husband had weeks like that when he worked for dot coms
<bmc> to "hurt" each equally, one making $300/wk the other $5000/wk
<bmc> what would you tax them?
<KoBushi> Linus-- well we should export our health care to India and Thailand it's cheaper for better care.
<MadScribe> but my co-worker did the same, so i had to keep up
<Linus--> my employers cost to cover my health insurance tripled in 3 years
<tortus> mad: i couldnot do that
<bmc> its surely not how it is now
<grArot> hey whats with all the spam ***holes
<grArot> cut it out
<Katey> And the bosses would blow their venture capital checks on footsball tables and fancy office furniture
<KoBushi> ;)
<Katey> oh and some of it went up their noses
<Linus--> i don't know how any business can afford it anymore
<tortus> mad: did you get a lot of money?
<MadScribe> tortus: nope
<tortus> that really ****s
<MadScribe> but it had to be done by the promised delivery date
<MadScribe> such is reality
<KoBushi> Linus-- many businesses can't... and don't offer health benefits through work
<Linus--> so, we face the prospect of more jobs being lost overseas, or more people working but not covered
<Katey> yeah, if you're on salary you don't get overtime
<Katey> if you're lucky you might get comp time
<bud``> and the idea that the rich get tax breaks is ridiculous, for starters most people working **** retail or food service jobs actually get taxes back every year, more than they payed
<Linus--> KoBushi, well that presents us with a whole new pack of problems
<bmc> you dont get more than you paid
<bmc> wtf are you smoking
<bud``> bmc yes, you do. earned income credit
<bmc> you dont even get a full refund
<KoBushi> bmc I did
<Lup|ne> bmc: actually you do, if you get the earned income credit, and some others
<bmc> unless you make $7k or less
<Lup|ne> also, you get alot of yoru taxes back thru welfare, free medical services, food stamps etc
<Linus--> increase in things like tB, hepatitis, infant mortality rates
<bud``> check this, if you report $5 income, you still get state and fed tax checks for several hundred
<bmc> nonsense
<bud``> no, fact
<KoBushi> bmc I got more money back than I paid in for almost 3 years
<Linus--> more county hospitals selling out to orivate health care companies, who have a track record of closing ERs
<bmc> i have never gotten more back than i paid
<bmc> the math makes it impossible
<bud``> so long as you report ANY income, even if its $5, you get full tax benefits, incuding earned income credit and all other kinds of free money
<haku1> yup
<bmc> and i didnt qualify for any credits
<Lup|ne> I did for every year I was at college
<Linus--> i don't think $5 would be considered employed
<Lup|ne> where do you think my spring break money came from?? :-)
<Linus--> so EIC might not be happening there
<bud``> Linus-- its in the tax code...
<Linus--> i can work one hr a year at mcdonalds and apply for eic?
<Linus--> that's ridiculous
<bmc> if you make $7k or less iirc you can file exempt
<bmc> and get a full refund
<bud``> you can vlaim $0 and get $0 back, or you can claim $5, pay taxes on that $5 and get earned income credits, giving you a gain
<KoBushi> $20k for a married couple
<Linus--> generally under 12k for single people qualifies you for eic
<Linus--> i cannot believe they tax unemployment checks!
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