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<Katey> I saw a movie on VHS that I just sort of stumbled accross that I thought was pretty good. It was called "A Midnight Clear"
<RustyFord> one of my favorite ALL time FAVORITE movies
<bmc> cold and wet and ****ty
<Katey> And I liked that HBO one, "When Trumpets Fade"
<KoooK> rambo is hanging on to a tank
<RustyFord> was dragonheart with Dennis quaid and Sean Connery
<RustyFord> that **** was ****ing funny
<KoooK> and sneaks in to the russian camp
<Herzen> Rambo is pretty stupid
<RustyFord> the dragon and the dude make a deal to make the dude rich as long as he doesn't kill dragons
<RustyFord> hahahah
<RustyFord> and then the dragon has this big act
<bmc> i liked first blood
<RustyFord> its ****ing awesome
<bmc> after that they ****ed
<RustyFord> when he hits that pong thats too shallow
<KoooK> i want to see 9th company
<KoooK> the russian one
<RustyFord> hahahah "ohh tats going to leave a mark"
<Herzen> I still want to ****ing see Stalingrad
<Herzen> Grrrrr
<KoooK> so do it
<Herzen> i'm about to check for ANOTHER torrent of it
<RustyFord> I want to watch enemies at the gate and not fall asleep
<Herzen> Enemy at the Gates is crap
<Katey> Was Enemy At The Gates about the siege of Stalingrad?
<bmc> i watched some **** on history channel earlier about the early days of space exploration, was pretty interesting
<Herzen> It was about a sniper in Stalingrad
<Katey> yeah, I heard it wasn't very good
<Katey> ah, ok
<Herzen> but it gives the impression that the Soviets lost at Stalingrad
<RustyFord> Herzen is that what he eventually becomes?
<Katey> I was disappointed when I heard it wasn't good. I like a few of those actors
<RustyFord> the kid
<bmc> apparently they were afraid when russia took to space first and managed to launch two satellites before we were able to get a man into orbit, that russia was trying to control the earth
<RustyFord> I wouldn't mind seeing some good russian war movies
<KoooK> Herzen ofp
<Herzen> ugh
<Herzen> no dude =/
<KoooK> ok
<bmc> thats pretty funny if you think about it
<RustyFord> Hollywood would **** it up though Herzen=(
<RustyFord> so it would have to be filmed in Russia without any Hollywood connections
<RustyFord> maybe throw in a couple of guys
<Herzen> get Stalingrad
<RustyFord> big actors
<Herzen> it is a German-Russian cooperative film
<Herzen> about the battle of Stalingrad
<Lupine> Holy crap. Just got done with a long meeting with the realtor. He thinks he can get $100K *over* what I thought would be a high asking price.
<RustyFord> I wouldn't mind seeing a good historical movie about napoleon getting owned
<bmc> is stalingrad where they had men charging the machine gun nests and ****
<RustyFord> Lupine hmmm....
<Lupine> bmc: ironically enough, by FIA international standards.. Gegarians flight did not "count" officially. Not that it really matters.
<TimothyW> Lupine : take the cash and move your *** out.
<RustyFord> realtors always big higher than what you will get your high asking price is probably what it will actually sell for
<RustyFord> bid
<Herzen> bmc, Stalingrad is where they surrounded German forces and took 91,000 PoWs
<Lupine> RF: maybe.. but he showed me several recent houses in the area
<RustyFord> ok....
<Lupine> Leningrad was the siege on the city, like ~900days long. More than a million russian civilians died
<RustyFord> thats a little different lupine
<RustyFord> Lupine just call around though....
<RustyFord> =)
<YYZ> the siege of leningrad wasnt' as bad as the siege at stalingrad
<Herzen> Stalingrad wasn't a siege
<Herzen> it was a battle
<RustyFord> yeh but it was as important
<occ2> and billy joel sang a song about it
<Herzen> yes, many battles are important
<Herzen> but that doesn't make them sieges
<Lupine> militarily, stalingrad was a more important city to capture.
<RustyFord> leningrad was the first battle wasn't it Herzen?
<Herzen> no
<RustyFord> k
<Lupine> after the initial attempt, germany just tried to starve leningrad out
<Herzen> Leningrad happened BEFORE Stalingrad
<Herzen> but it wasn't the first battle
<RustyFord> leningrad was the one what was basically surrounded ?
<Herzen> Well, more or less
<Herzen> except for Lake Lagoda
<Lupine> RF: yep, except for along the lake
<RustyFord> right
<RustyFord> it was one of the most important battles
<Herzen> the most important battles are probably
<Herzen> Stalingrad, Kursk
<Herzen> Berlin
<RustyFord> the implications of losing leningrad were HUGE
<YYZ> it's good that Germany spend all their effort fighting the Russians
<RustyFord> see......
<Lupine> RF: not really. It itself was not nearly as strategic
<unfounded> yeah the russians are always good for a few hundred miles and 20 million dead bodies
<RustyFord> i don't have my russian ww2 down very well=(( i should really consider looking into it
<RustyFord> i hate not knowing stuff like this
<Lupine> Herzen: now that they have changed the name back to St Petersburg.. historically, do they still refer to it as Leningrad when discussing the time it was called that?
<Herzen> Yea
<Herzen> h
<RustyFord> yes
<RustyFord> jhehhee i know that=))
<Lupine> k
<Herzen> In Pedrograd today, they find bodies everytime they do roadwork
<Herzen> from the battle in WW2
<Lupine> Well, didn' tknow how much the "eradication" of Lenin went
<RustyFord> sometimes thats spelled Petrograd isn't it?
<RustyFord> i think on american maps they called it that
<Lupine> Herzen: Yep. Is that in permafrost?
<Herzen> Lupine, lots of Russians still respect/identify with Lenin
<Herzen> Americans and Russians even today see Lenin very differently
<RustyFord> they didn't want to "think mexican"
<RustyFord> hehehhe "Pedro"
<Lupine> Heh. I saw an article about how every so often, they want to remove lenin's corpose and bury him.
<RustyFord> yeap!
<Lupine> they asked some lady who just came from the tour.. didn't know how he was
<RustyFord> just 2 weeks ago
<Forbin> They already buried Stalin
<RustyFord> people got REALLY pissed
<Lupine> that was funny.. you just went THRU the tour.. and she didn't know what he was to russia
<RustyFord> the Duma almost came to "fisticuffs"
<RustyFord> over burying lenin
<bmc> dont we still keep the preserved body of john paul jones around somewhere in DC? heh
<Herzen> ever seen videos of when Taiwanese parliametn fights?
<Herzen> They often have fist fights in the Taiwanese parliament
<bmc> or somebody
<bmc> heh
<RustyFord> herzen YEH!!!
<unfounded> john paul jones haha
<RustyFord> they get into it BIG Time!
<occ2> i just read the communist manifesto, heh
<RustyFord> i seen one dude KNOCK another dude out once in Taiwan parliament
<occ2> it makes you want to strangle marx
<occ2> that effete little ****
<RustyFord> walked right up and "POW!"
<RustyFord> dude was out cold hahahaha
<occ2> redfish is a Card-Carrying communist
<RustyFord> and then all the people started fighting up above
<RustyFord> hehehe it was wicked
<RustyFord> thats the way it should be
<unfounded> yeah i saw that video
<unfounded> ****ing hilarious
<unfounded> they should do that in us congress
<unfounded> john mccain would be lighting poeople up
<RustyFord> i mean if we are going to pay these politicians the big bucks they should fist fight
<unfounded> yeah
<occ2> you ever watch british parliament on c-span?
<occ2> its great
<occ2> they totally attack each other
<occ2> and yell and carry on
<RustyFord> I could see Janet Reno and Hillary clinton and Pelosi
<RustyFord> in a 6 man tag team match
<RustyFord> notice i said "MAN"
<RustyFord> lets see
<RustyFord> against...
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