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<Linus--> oh
<Linus--> boil or vaporize?
<CryArvach> JanetB sells Whippets during Halloween
<Linus--> don't g***es require really cold temps to liquify?
<KoBushi> so like, the critical temp for water @ 14psi is 211 deg
<JanetB> what a whippet?
<Linus--> ha!
<CryArvach> Linus..under pressure it is liquid
<US-Male> depends on the pressure too
<Linus--> shelled life
<Linus--> oic
<Linus--> i wasn't taking that into acct
<US-Male> PV=nRT
<Null_Ptr> -268C for helium at normal pressure
<KoBushi> Linus-- depends on pressure and volume
<US-Male> that's what I'm sayin
<JanetB> well I hope my fever borke last night!
<Linus--> <not big on periodic table
<CryArvach> you inhale the helium through a baloon..gives you a hew moments of euphoria and a donald duck voice
<Null_Ptr> CryArvach unless it's in liquid form
<KoBushi> Null_Ptr yeah, bu what about at 350psia?
<Null_Ptr> CryArvach in which case you shatter :P
<Linus--> whippets are nitrous oxide
<JanetB> why inhale from a balloon. when you have a tank!
<Linus--> in little canisters
<CryArvach> the helium in tank is liquid under pressure...if vented into a balloon it is a gas
<Linus--> they're put into a bartenders co2 dispenser
<CryArvach> JanetB..haha not wise to inhale directly from tank....
<Linus--> and then you squeeze the handle and **** in the nitrous
<KoBushi> US-Male found it yet?
<Linus--> its pure nitrous, no oxygen mixed
<JanetB> oh.. I inhaled from the tank a ton of times heheh
<Linus--> its a rush
<US-Male> hrm not yet -- I will check my CRC
<Linus--> but the tasnk is usually only 15% nitrous
<KoBushi> US-Male cool, I've searched google, ASHRAE and my refrigeration manuals, can't find anything :(
<Linus--> if you can convicne a dentist to go above 15, you're lucky
<KoBushi> though I did find a complete pressure/enthalpy diagram for nitrogen
<US-Male> KoBushi ok -- at the least it should give some constants to calculate it
<US-Male> one moment
<Linus--> anyway, football time
<Null_Ptr> ok you dorks
<Null_Ptr> you cant have helium at 350psi and have a critical temperature
<Null_Ptr> because it's already liquid
<KoBushi> Null_Ptr... depends on it's enthalpy
<Null_Ptr> so the critical temperature is like any temperature at all
<Null_Ptr> no not really
<US-Male> it would be the temp at which it boils, under 350 psi
<US-Male> brb
<KoBushi> helium @ 350psi with ambient temps is not a liquid
<Null_Ptr> how do you know
<KoBushi> because if it was they'd have made liquid helium prior to 1908
<KoBushi> :)
<JanetB> you know with all the hurricanes Fl gets.. off shore drilling is not a good idea.
<KoBushi> besies I've got a large scale P/T/state chart for helium
<KoBushi> it's just not enough resolution to give me an exact figure
<Null_Ptr> why dont you just pressurize some and start cooling it off and see when it liquifies
<DarthBurg> Death to the Purple Dinosaur!
<Null_Ptr> death to darthburg
<DarthBurg> Hail
<KoBushi> Null_Ptr because no one makes a sight gl*** that can handel 2000+ psi
<KoBushi> :)
<Null_Ptr> you only need 350psi
<Null_Ptr> and you can determine when it liquifies electrically
<KoBushi> it'd already be gas then
<Null_Ptr> by its conductivity
<KoBushi> the metal container would make that difficult :)
<IamKing> w00t! go Steelers!
<Null_Ptr> make the container out of lexan
<KoBushi> anyway, I'm trying to determine what temperature I need to reach at the condensor in order to use the helium as a referigerant
<Null_Ptr> if that were practical nobody would use CFCs
<Null_Ptr> because helium is cheaper to obtain
<KoBushi> Null_Ptr it's not practical for normal temps... but used in a casade when trying to reach cryogenic emperatures it is
<KoBushi> but to use it at ambient temps it'd be too high of pressures
<KoBushi> temperatures*
<Null_Ptr> are you trying to flash freeze fish sticks
<KoBushi> R-704 = helium
<KoBushi> no, cryogenic tempering
<DarthBurg> ''Today, Democrats are the ones accusing the Republican majority of abusing their power, and they are pointing to the ethical troubles of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and White House officials Karl Rove and Lewis Libby to bolster their case.''
<DarthBurg> gotta love it.
<KoBushi> Though I suppose I could just use nitrogen and get -300F
<KoBushi> but helium is neater :P
<DarthBurg> Delay's a victim of grand jury shopping, Frists sale of stock was legal, and No One Knows what the grand jury is going to do with Rove and Libby.
<Null_Ptr> its not a grand jury its a special prosecutor
<Null_Ptr> there's a difference
<DarthBurg> of course, sine they are republicans, its guilty till the media quite writing about them
<US-Male> KoBushi: how accurate do you need ?
<US-Male> there's no table but it can be calculated
<KoBushi> US-Male within 5 degrees F would be nice
<DarthBurg> Fitzgerald is the special prosecutor, correct, in charge of? a grand jury.
<US-Male> k
<US-Male> and you want the temp at which it boils, under 350 psi pressure right ?
<KoBushi> US-Male yep
<DarthBurg> irregardless, its sealed testimony, so all of the guesswork going on in the media is based on what the AP found in Karl's Garage.
<US-Male> ok
<KoBushi> irregardless -> regardless
<KoBushi> ;)
<DarthBurg> sorry, I am a com tech, not a english lit major :D
<US-Male> is this inside a tank ?
<KoBushi> US-Male well, inside of a copper line
<KoBushi> US-Male but yeah it should work the same as in a tank
<US-Male> ok so constant volume then ?
<US-Male> it's closed right
<DarthBurg> don't say tank, you will wake up Herzen
<US-Male> heheh
<KoBushi> yeah :)
<KoBushi> DarthBurg lol
<KoBushi> hum... he seems to be a sound sleeper
<DarthBurg> hah
<DarthBurg> Russian Migs ****
<DarthBurg> ya got to break out the big ammo if he is out cold.
<Herzen> shaddap fools
<randym> never get enough never get enough
<DarthBurg> anywho
<DarthBurg> the defense rests!
<KoBushi> lol
<DarthBurg> sorry Herzen, Migs are superior, just a wake up call
<DarthBurg> nothing personal!
<Herzen> Sukhoi > Mig
<DarthBurg> oh thats right
<DarthBurg> me so very very bad
<DarthBurg> su27?
<Herzen> Su27, Su33, etc
<Herzen> Nice fighters
<KoBushi> Sukhoi ... that name is funny
<DarthBurg> the 27 has been getting some good praise.
<DarthBurg> seems to be the popular one at all the air shows anyway
<DarthBurg> Howard dean promises to save us from the "Culture of Corruption."
<DarthBurg> Does he intend to purge the DNC?
<KoBushi> he's going to retire?
<DarthBurg> I don't think so,
<KoBushi> :P
<DarthBurg> Poll: 92% believe New Jersey Democrat Leadership is corrupt, over half relate government corruption to the Democrat party. only Half?
<DarthBurg> gee, who did they ask? the leaders?
<KoBushi> "over half" ... could be 80%
<KoBushi> :P
<DarthBurg> actually
<DarthBurg> i think it was Half, straight up
<DarthBurg> 50%
<DarthBurg> which I kinda doubt.
<hans_kung> aw you believe that poll huh Darthburg? IF it shows they think the same about the RNC, would you believe it? Or blame leftist liberal media?
<DarthBurg> hans_kung if you care to notice, I am doubting this poll as well.
<DarthBurg> its called "Consistancy"
<DarthBurg> however it is spelled.
<msBoNgS> hey
<DarthBurg> 92% seemed to be a pretty high poll turnout, which is why I mentioned it in the first place.
<msBoNgS> what's up?
<DarthBurg> this particular poll was done by a University, so it would be harm to blame the Liberal Media other than I doubt this poll was covered at 5:00
<hans_kung> er wouldn't be... s/been
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