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<FreeTrade> GHF is an old web site by some religious fanatics and possibly more than just religious. they probably have a non religious desire to bash gays for some reason.
<pilgrim`> that one it the wall hanger
<FreeTrade> GHF.com has been around forever
<Null_Ptr> thats that fred phelps guy
<CometBaby> $400 for a phone? No thanks :)
<Null_Ptr> he's gay himself
<Null_Ptr> probably
<FreeTrade> Yeah, hes an idiot
<pilgrim`> Cry I am looking for a hanger plate
<KoBushi> I see... the salt keeps the water from freezing to the ice, so that instead of it's BTU's being spent with latent heat exchange, it's spent removing sensible heat from the beer and the air
<CryArvach> for the wall phone?
<pilgrim`> its what a wall phone uses to mount
<FreeTrade> Oh its much more than a phone.
<pilgrim`> yeah
<pilgrim`> metal 4 slots for the legs
<CryArvach> get me a pic...and I will be on lookout...
<KoBushi> or rather, instead of BTUs being rapidly removed from the water, it's removed from the beer
<CryArvach> yesterday we got a whole box of old Lionel/H & O trains
<CometBaby> FreeTrade I am sure it is .. but I guess I just don't place much value on those things ;)
<pilgrim`> abpit 5 inch middle to middle on holes, holes are 1" in diameter
<CryArvach> would the plate be marked at all?
<pilgrim`> I know what it looks like but can't get a pic
<FreeTrade> Cometbaby, I have no choice my business demands I carry a PDA, To have a very high quality one which is both is essential for my business..
<IamKing> w00t! Steelers pulling away from the Bengals 24-6
<FreeTrade> Carry two devices would drive me nuts.
<IamKing> FreeTrade: Treo 600 or 650?
<FreeTrade> I use it so often for all sorts of things
<FreeTrade> the 650 is perfection.. The 600 is a peice of **** dont buy it.
<CometBaby> FreeTrade :)
<FreeTrade> The 650 is the one that fixed every problem and there were a lot, with the 600
<pilgrim`> I carry my iBook....and my Newton
<IamKing> lmao @ Newton
<pilgrim`> if somone wants to call me; yell loud
<IamKing> hahahahah
<FreeTrade> Eventually all phones will be PDAs of different types or another.
<IamKing> fortunately, I don't have a job that requires me to have a PDA
<IamKing> FreeTrade: true that
<FreeTrade> most the modern phones are starting to allow some web surfing.
<CryArvach> I still do not see the use for a laptop...yet
<CryArvach> and the prices are ****ty
<KoBushi> IamKing lol http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/
<pilgrim`> IamKing I dispise modern PDAs hence Newton
<pilgrim`> I own 3
<FreeTrade> But I can carry an excel spreadsheet on mine and pull it up when I run into a customer. or a Word Document contract to remind the customer of our agreement.
<IamKing> most people who need PDAs also need cell phones...therefore, the market for PDAs that are not an actual smartphone (cell phone + PDA) is declining
<KoBushi> Until I can play Civiliation on a PDA, it just won't be that great
<FreeTrade> A laptop in the field is overkill for me now.
<FreeTrade> I suppose in 3 years or so I will end up with something else.
<KoBushi> I'd like a tablet PC
<KoBushi> especially if I could attach a mobile printer
<FreeTrade> Tablet PCs are very nice, unfortunately they are very expensive too.
<IamKing> FreeTrade: nah, just an improved smartphone, maybe
<KoBushi> Just do invoicing from the tablet
<KoooK> the Sony ericsson P990 is pretty sweet
<KoooK> especially if u got 3g
<CryArvach> I am more interesting in boosting size of my LAN first
<CryArvach> I may build a drive array :)
<pilgrim`> heh
<KoBushi> a tablet w/ a keyboard would have been nice for taking notes when I was in school
<KoBushi> or, a laptop with a digi-pen
<IamKing> KoBushi: they have laptops that are convertibles into tablet PCs
<CryArvach> pilgrim..unlike yours..mine would be standardized...
<FreeTrade> Well the phones are getting very close to the same quality as the treo and blackberry (the true PDA phones) but soon the distinction will be lost.
<CryArvach> One Linux/unix box...rest Windows
<KoBushi> IamKing as long as I could draw with a pen and type in the same app, that'd be cool
<FreeTrade> And instead of a PDA phone it will just be a phone with everything a PDA has.
<pilgrim`> http://www.syndicomm.com/~pilgrimer/pics/networkstuff/pics/shop23.jpg
<pilgrim`> thats standard\
<pilgrim`> I defy ANYONE to locate a modern box in that. see obsolete. -a standard ;)
<FreeTrade> Pilgrim you need to network a PDA into it. hehe My PDA can do network tunneling and connect to a network.
<IamKing> pilgrim`: damn, what is with all that OLD junk?!? :P
<pilgrim`> Free <cough> I have a Newton on my LAN
<FreeTrade> or you can run a bluetooth Lap top off the Palm Modem
<FreeTrade> Pilgrim hehe
<pilgrim`> I can Bluetooth Netwon
<FreeTrade> VPN is built into the 650
<pilgrim`> http://www.40hz.org/mottek-old/archives/000047.html
<pilgrim`> it works now
<pilgrim`> the idea here is to make thigns that shouldnot work....work
<FreeTrade> You guys know how critical I am of things when I get burned, and how I praise productes which are what they claim to be. I used to want to put something on the web page everytime I got burned on something to trash the companies ;)
<KoooK> pilgrim` is probably one of those peopel that visit computer shops and constantly bother them with talk about old things for HOURS
<FreeTrade> Speaking of which, Do NOT go see lord of war.
<KoBushi> well I'm outta here
<FreeTrade> Lord of Arms or whatever it is called.
<KoooK> "I need a cable..." oh no that's too expensive..
<IamKing> FreeTrade: Lord of War
<FreeTrade> it is literally a 2 hour propaganda film against Bush, Previous presidents Americans and arms dealers the world over.
<pilgrim`> Koook I only visit select shops, those are run by buds of mine and I usualy answer a question or two of a ech nature they have
<FreeTrade> I guess the producer doesnt understand a defensive war.
<FreeTrade> Doesnt believe there can be a defensive war.
<IamKing> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives called on Friday for the Internet's core infrastructure to remain under U.S. control, echoing similar language introduced in the Senate earlier this week. The resolution, introduced by two Republicans and one Democrat, aims to line up Congress firmly behind the Bush administration as it heads for a showdown with much of the rest of the world over control o
<IamKing> "Turning the Internet over to countries with problematic human-rights records, muted free-speech laws, and questionable taxation practices will prevent the Internet from remaining the thriving medium it has become today," said California Republican Rep. John Doolittle in a statement. Doolittle introduced the resolution with Virginia Republican Rep. Bob Goodlatte and Virginia Democratic Rep. Rick Boucher.
<IamKing> Countries including Brazil and Iran want an international body to oversee the addressing system that guides traffic across the Internet, which is currently overseen by a California nonprofit body that answers to the U.S. Department of Commerce. The European Union withdrew its support of the current system last month, and the issue is expected to come to a head at a U.N. summit meeting in Tunisia in November.
<pilgrim`> oh brother
<FreeTrade> The producer claims we gave the weapons to sierra leon and other places in Africa where tensions are when in fact they mention the AK all the time which is NOT an american weapon.
<FreeTrade> AK47
<pilgrim`> In other news Liberia demanded the world go off the oil standard and burn bannana leaves instead
<IamKing> I agree...I don't trust the world community (especially the UN) to run anything but relief/aid into impoverished countries...and that's about it
<pilgrim`> Free I read of it
<pilgrim`> stupid
<pilgrim`> America is the world's supplier of AKs
<pilgrim`> golly! I didn't knwo that
<FreeTrade> I was very dissapointed in the film, I thought it was going to be a comedy or a action film with comedy as the advertisements suggested.
<pilgrim`> Eugene Stoner would roll in grave
<FreeTrade> I wonder if you could win a false advertising case against a movie whose ad completely misrepresents the movie.
<IamKing> FreeTrade: thanks for the warning...I won't watch it :P
<pilgrim`> Free a political crap argument
<IamKing> FreeTrade: that'd be cool
<FreeTrade> Pilgrim, I wish I had known before I went.
<FreeTrade> There have been 0 good movies out of hollywood since Troy..
<pilgrim`> "If we are the 1st to pull donw pants and bend over, the world will respect us" -type liberal argument
<FreeTrade> I though oh yeah this guy is usually funny and out of bounds and dramatic.
<FreeTrade> he was none of the above.
<FreeTrade> Pilgrim, Hollywood because it cant get to americans by money, is making movies now to try to influence peoples politics.
<IamKing> FreeTrade: was Troy actually good?
<pilgrim`> Free he was doing the talk circuit IMMEDIATELY about this one talking social cause. that raised a red flag
<FreeTrade> I think the equal time law should apply as it does with television.
<pilgrim`> Free they always have. Hollyweird thinks they know best
<FreeTrade> They should be forced to run a 2 hour propaganda peice on why are arms sales to foreign countries can lead to stability and peace.
<pilgrim`> its like celibecy adverts run by the CHicken Ranch
<FreeTrade> Pilgrim they have never done it so obviously.
<FreeTrade> This film and that stupid "Day after tommorrow" fiction..
<FreeTrade> I enjoyed that because it was sci fi stupidity where 1000s of people froze which was cool.
<FreeTrade> But a lot of people take that film literally
<FreeTrade> Pilgrim its similar to this, YOu will be seeing a lot less ads on tv.
<FreeTrade> You will see what they call content ads.
<FreeTrade> that is the foxy chick in the tv show will always drink Coca Cola and drive a Toyota.
<FreeTrade> And coke and Toyota will pay for that.
<FreeTrade> This is the future of advertising and its very Orwellian
<FreeTrade> I think the need a full screen disclaimer before each movie.
<FreeTrade> Coca cola corporation paid for content advetisement in this film, Lexus corporation paid for context advertisement in this film
<FreeTrade> and stream them down a list one after the other, and then start the movie.
<FreeTrade> Or show.
<FreeTrade> We have always had consumer protection laws which have protected us from being duped.
<FreeTrade> just like the equal time law when a public station gives 2 free hours to a political candidate, they must also give 2 free hours to the opponents.
<FreeTrade> They TV series coming out about a hawkish female president is a political advertisement for Hillary in 2008
<FreeTrade> This is a fact if you have been paying attention.
<FreeTrade> They hired half of Hillaries old staff.
<FreeTrade> *** consultants on the TV series.
<FreeTrade> Typo but appropriate.
<IamKing> hahahahah
<IamKing> a "freudian slip" ;)
<FreeTrade> Iamking, Have you heard about this ?
<FreeTrade> Its true.
<IamKing> yes, with Geena Davis :P
<FreeTrade> An honest freudian slip at least.
<SweetLeaf> I have
<FreeTrade> Swetleaf, you bet.
<FreeTrade> And the goal of the show is to elect hillary in 2008
<IamKing> having Donald Sutherland playing the liberal-stereotypical "angry white guy" Republican conservative with power-hungry ambitions
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