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<Katey> That makes hurricanes strengthen
<FreeTrade> the same thing which gave us 23 hurricane between 1900and something thru 1964 cat 3 or higher and since 1964, 3 hurricanes cat 3 or higher
<Katey> I'm not sure what, if any, impact it has on the formation of storms though
<IamKing> Katey: what is "normal"? oh wait, we don't have enough data going back far enough in millennia to truly say what is "normal" :P
<FreeTrade> We have a history of hurricanes which completely wiped out Whats that town in Texas which rita was suppose to hit
<bmc> this year is the most active hurricane season in recorded history
<FreeTrade> Houston ?
<Katey> Galveston
<US-Male> yeah
<FreeTrade> You sure ?
<Disbelief> Katey - from what i've read, it increasese the amount of water vapor, and hence energy hanging above the ocean, and intensifies the storm.
<FreeTrade> Which ?
<Katey> yep
<US-Male> Galveston
<bud``> the entire planet was significantly warmer in the 1400's-1500's, I guess Bush's great great great great X 100 grandfather was in charge back then
<Katey> it was in 1905
<FreeTrade> Ok, It was completely destroyed in the early part of the 20th century
<Katey> Disbelief, yes
<IamKing> bud``: he ALMOST destroyed the world back then!
<Katey> Disbelief, but I don't know if it plays any role in the number of storms
<FreeTrade> The cause of hurricanes is the same as the cause of tornados and earthquakes. Its natural events which have occured and been written about since biblical times or since the beggining of written history
<FreeTrade> though they usually attributed it to an act of god.
<FreeTrade> something many people in the world still do.
<Katey> However, storms aren't named untill they reach tropical storm level..which is a matter of strength
<FreeTrade> Though they also realize they are natural.
<bmc> yes but this isnt part of any known 'pattern'
<Disbelief> Katey - the number isn't signification so much as the intensity. a lot of tropical storms are maturing into hurricanes, and in turn a lot of hurricanes are becoming monstrous. This is the ***ertion of government scientists.
<FreeTrade> BMC, yes it is
<bmc> its the most active season in recorded history, we dont know what happens before then
<KoooK> At a convenience store, Cancun resident Alex Aguilar took batteries and aspirin.
<KoooK> "The window was broken, so we just went in and got what we wanted," he said.
<KoooK> Dozens were arrested.
<KoooK> "It's chaos," said fire official Gregorio Vergara. "They are taking things all over the city."
<FreeTrade> there is a pattern of so many years on and so many years off.
<bmc> thats why its not recorded
<FreeTrade> I dont know the exact years.
<Katey> Well, a lot of tropical depressions are strengthening into tropical storms.
<US-Male> most models use water surface temperature, since the 'cane is just above water
<Katey> And also into hurricanes
<Disbelief> indeed.
<FreeTrade> Its about a decade on and its much longer when its off.
<JanetB> FreeTrade.. I heard then say 40 year cycles
<Disbelief> FreeTrade - what is the 'natural cycle' driving this, do you believe ?
<bud``> katey ****? you mean storms dont normally evolve?
<bmc> but as far as we know, there has never been this many hurricanes in a single year
<KoooK> Buran!
<Katey> bud``, of course they do
<FreeTrade> the warm waters of the pacific el nino usually temper hurricanes, but we do not have an el nino current int he pacific (Warmer) right now.
<US-Male> bmc: it's because Bush didn't sign the Kyoto treaty !
<Disbelief> bmc - ignore that! its all cyclical!
<FreeTrade> We dont have an El nino which we had a lot of for the last 2 decades since I live near the coast.
<Katey> bmc, well, the last big year was '33
<FreeTrade> So far this year no El nino or El nina.
<bmc> Katey but this year is more
<Katey> but we've only been keeping records for a fairly short time
<bud``> i had an excellent graph courtsey of the BBC that displayed, by year, the number of hurricanes and their strength, this is very much a normal year
<bmc> this year > *
<Disbelief> bmc - just like the 2006 economic recession will be 'cyclical'...its a handy excuse for anything you don't want to really investigate.
<Katey> bmc, yes, one more than '33
<Katey> so far
<FreeTrade> BMC, As far as we know only goes back 100 years or so
<US-Male> DarthBurg, first Bush killed the dinosaurs for their OIL, and now this....
<bmc> Katey there is 37 days lef
<bmc> left*
<Katey> yes
<FreeTrade> Dont you thing thats a little short to judge geological events.
<Katey> I think we're past "peak" though
<DarthBurg> US-Male and the Arabs bought Mercedes Benzes
<bmc> well its not judging anything
<US-Male> hehehehe
<bmc> its stating known facts
<FreeTrade> I mean I dont understand anyone explaining the Geographical past and using a record of 100 years or so.
<US-Male> trollie gang
<bmc> the only fact we no for sure is, that weve never seen this many storms in a single year
<FreeTrade> How many ships sunk in florida
<FreeTrade> and why ?
<Disbelief> freetrade - hurricanes are not 'geological' events
<Pugsley> Greetings Earthlings
<FreeTrade> Why is the bottom off the ocean off florida a graveyard of ships for 100s of years
<Katey> bmc, right. But saying that this is the most prolific year ever for tropical weather isn't saying much when the records only go back about 100 years
<US-Male> three people all at once with ^^^ all over their nicks
<bud``> its time to panic when the NWS names hurrican Mr. T and its entire load of jibba jabba, or Hurricane Dean
<FreeTrade> They are not earth events ?
<US-Male> oh make that 4
<bmc> Katey its all we know
<Noisok> ROAR!
<bmc> thats how ALL science works
<Noisok> how's it going
<Katey> bmc, which means we don't know much
<bmc> you cant base it on ***umption
<FreeTrade> Its all connected.. Seismic, volcanic, hurricane,
<Katey> bmc, yes. the data is fairly limited.
<Disbelief> freeTrade - seismology has nothing to do with hurricanes
<bud``> DarthBurg: pymptype might just buy that bumpersticker!
<FreeTrade> You know they are overdue for the worst earthquake in written American history and when it hits, they are going to blame some current event for it.
<FreeTrade> Watch.
<Kurt2> General: What is best in life? Wussy: The open steppe, fleet horse, falcon on wrist, wind in hair! General: Wrong! Conan, what is best in life? Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!
<Katey> And that should be taken into account
<FreeTrade> You know they are overdue for the worst earthquake in written American history and when it hits, they are going to blame some current event for it.
<FreeTrade> They = we
<FreeTrade> Washington State
<bmc> Katey so regardless of why or how, or when, or where, there has never been this many storms in a single season, i mean sure we can ***ume there have been, and even more than this in a single season, but they are unknowns
<bmc> and why there have been so many isnt really relevant to the fact that there have been
<FreeTrade> Disbelief, You have no clue what has to do with hurricanes, climatologists say there are a lot of variables, heat of surface water representing 10%
<FreeTrade> But El nino are very important.
<bmc> there are requirements for hurricanes to form
<bmc> one of them is water > 80F
<bmc> the more > 80F water you have
<bmc> the greater the probability
<bmc> thats basic math
<FreeTrade> and ocean floor seismic events I believe effect the el nino currents. we have molten lava which erupts at the bottom of the ocean all the time
<Noisok> another requirement = wrath of god!!! i kid, i kid
<bud``> ****, ill be careful taking a bath from now on
<US-Male> Allah makes hurricanes
<FreeTrade> Well Most religious people blame it on god or man
<Noisok> ALLAH MAKES HURRICANES
<US-Male> !!!!!
<Noisok> !
<Noisok> =)
<FreeTrade> they have no clue of the long history of the earth
<bmc> you also need a strong temperature gradient i think
<hans_kung> who is 'they'?
<Noisok> GOD
<Noisok> heheheh
<bmc> interaction between hot/cold air m***es
<FreeTrade> I hope this doesnt flood
<FreeTrade> Geology (from Greek ??- (ge-, "the earth") and ????? (logos, "word", "reason")) is the science and study of the Earth, its composition, structure, physical properties, history, and the processes that shape it. It is one of the Earth sciences.
<FreeTrade> Geologists have helped establish the age of the Earth at about 4.5 billion (4.5x109) years, and have determined that the Earth's lithosphere, which includes the crust, is fragmented into tectonic plates that move over a rheic upper mantle (asthenosphere) via processes that are collectively referred to as plate tectonics. Geologists help locate and manage the earth's natural resources, such as petroleum and coal, as well as metals
<FreeTrade> Astrogeology refers to the application of geologic principles to other bodies of the solar system. However, specialised terms such as selenology (studies of the Moon), areology (of Mars), etc., are also in use.
<bmc> weather is normally cl***ed as meteorology
<bmc> how sure what the history of weather would be called
<bmc> not*
<IamKing> yes, which would be a subset of geology
<FreeTrade> It is not caused my meterology it is studied by meterology and climatology
<US-Male> which is weird because they are not studying meteors! But I digress
<haku> yah totally
<bmc> maybe thats it
<bmc> climatology
<haku> why arent they studying meteors
<haku> lol
<US-Male> they should, right ?
<FreeTrade> Meterologists a decade ago, I have not seen a recent poll but 70% say globla warming is vastly exagerated.
<haku> yah lol they should
<bmc> Paleoclimatology and Climatology
<US-Male> they're slacking off that's why
<FreeTrade> Political scientists, 90% of them say global warming is an armegeddon
<hans_kung> that's funny FT, because the trend lately with real scientists, is that man is responsible for some global warming.
<US-Male> hahah
<hans_kung> *some*
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