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<nomazda> wait
<nomazda> FreeTrade
<nomazda> cat 3 or higher or cat 4 or higher..
<nomazda> dont save 'over cat 3' to mean cat 4 or higher
<nomazda> :P
<nomazda> save=say
<lumpy> wolf blitzer can't pronounce cuba
<Katey> There were 6 cat 3 or higher between 61-70
<nomazda> im beginning to think he means cat 4 or higher
<Katey> 4 between 71-80
<JanetB> no
<JanetB> it means 3 and above
<nomazda> [05:29pm] <FreeTrade> OVER 3
<nomazda> [05:29pm] * moderatum sets mode: +vv ajofi drtx
<nomazda> [05:29pm] <Lithium-> FreeTrade: YES OVER 3
<nomazda> [05:29pm] <FreeTrade> 4 or higher
<Katey> Well, the NOAA history of hurricanes considers "major" hurricanes to be cat 3 or higher
<Lithium-> even if over 3, there were still 4
<nomazda> heh
<Lithium-> because that list does not include katrina
<Katey> so that's what I'm looking at
<Rebec> I don't really care so I guess I'll leave while you all discuss/research this
<FreeTrade> back
<nomazda> or he could have been talking about storms that actually were named on a wed on the 3rd week of the month that made landfall on a sunday between 12am and 12:03am
<Katey> 5 between 81-90
<FozzyB> I think the NHC cannot count
<Lithium-> lol
<FreeTrade> Look, I initially made an error
<FreeTrade> I corrected it unlike a lot of people who wont when they do make an error, I always do.
<FreeTrade> My correction is fact.
<Lithium-> FreeTrade: still 4 though
<Katey> Seems like, generally, since 1960 there's been about 4 or 5 major hurricanes making landfall in the US
<Katey> every 10 years
<nomazda> as someone said above
<Lithium-> FreeTrade: that list does not include katrina
<FreeTrade> I have no pride invested in this and besides, all lies eventually come out.
<FreeTrade> So I made a mistake.
<nomazda> NOAA consideres a 'major hurricane' to be cat 3 or higher
<FreeTrade> and I discovered it, and I corrected it.
<FreeTrade> I misquited the hurricane guy from the gov
<Katey> yeah. the NHC doesn't include 2005 in their list
<FreeTrade> misquoted
<pilgrim`> to dream of a wordl without fences and walls....where we would no longer need Gates......Or Windows....
<FreeTrade> he also said it has nothing to di with global warming
<Katey> http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/Deadliest_Costliest.shtml
<Lithium-> anywho
<pilgrim`> global wonking?
<Katey> here's a list that takes it every ten years
<Lithium-> we had 6 major ones this decade
<FozzyB> still, there were more than 4 cat 4 or higher since 1964
<Katey> but doesn't include this year
<Lithium-> and we're halfway through it
<Lithium-> so stay tuned
<FreeTrade> Katey been there done that, some of them in the 17 and 1800s were very deadly
<Katey> Lithium-, yeah
<ajofi> Some conservative group or groups have started a new website: withdrawmiers.org, a list of avocates of "withdrawal" and "deeply concerned" is listed http://www.withdrawmiers.org/the_advocates.php - I'm kindof surprised at which conservative groups are advocating her withdrawal.
<Katey> we've already beaten the average for a ten year span
<FreeTrade> not the one constant which has changed dramatically in the since 1964, is the number of people who have moved to the southern states of the USA
<FreeTrade> Someone please research that.
<Katey> or the average that I've looked at since '61
<FreeTrade> I will bet you its well over a factor of 10
<FreeTrade> well over
<FreeTrade> possibly 20
<FreeTrade> or more
<Katey> Well, I'm not looking at how many lives were lost or how much damage
<FreeTrade> I dont know the answer to that one other than I know their has been a huge migration south
<Katey> just looking at cat 3 or higher
<FreeTrade> thats why they are costlier
<FozzyB> so, this whole convo relates to global warming?
<FreeTrade> There was a lot of swamp in south florida in 1954
<FreeTrade> Today there is none
<ajofi> Based on all the wide mix of peole calling for her withdrawal, and the White House supposedly coming up with a contingency for it, it looks like the Miers nomination is doomed.
<FreeTrade> its wall to wall buildings
<FreeTrade> Casinos
<FreeTrade> Bars
<FreeTrade> Hotels
<Katey> Now they had 7 from 1871-1880
<Katey> that's quite a bit
<FreeTrade> 1941 - 1950 were the most hurricanes
<FreeTrade> of all sizes
<STINGRAY`> freetrade hey catch ya later no sleep all night stayed up to find looters sad i could not find any to shoot
<FreeTrade> 24
<FreeTrade> 1941-1950 was when we had the most strong hurricanes as well
<Lithium-> FreeTrade: we're on pace to set the record for the most major hurricanes in a decade
<haku1> good morning chatter pals
<FreeTrade> 10- 3,4, or 5.
<Katey> wow. the 40's were bad. 10 major hurricanes
<Lithium-> yea, we're on pace for 12
<FreeTrade> Lithium no we are not. no where close
<Katey> and 9 in the 50's
<Lithium-> FreeTrade: um, its 6 so far
<Katey> That was a pretty active period
<FreeTrade> if we get the same number in the next 5 years we will be at 6 or 7 at 3,4 or 5..
<haku1> NERF HURICANES
<Lithium-> FreeTrade are you that bad at math?
<FreeTrade> 10 is the record in 1941-1950
<FreeTrade> both in large hurricanes and in total hurricanes
<Lithium-> FreeTrade: that site lists 3 major ones (3,4,5) this decade
<Katey> We're already at 6 for the 00's
<FreeTrade> This decade is half over
<Lithium-> FreeTrade: that does NOT include katrina, rita, wilma
<haku1> yah totally
<FreeTrade> so double it
<Lithium-> FreeTrade: thats 6
<FreeTrade> add 3
<Katey> if we double before the end of the decade that's 12
<FreeTrade> and 1 for good measure
<Lithium-> exactly
<FreeTrade> thats 7
<haku1> this decade ****s
<Lithium-> AY
<Lithium-> FREETRADE, IT GOES UP TO 2004
<FreeTrade> compared to 10 in 194os
<Lithium-> DOES NOT INCLUDE RITA WILMA KATRINA
<Katey> FreeTrade, if we're already at 6 and we're halfway through, so you double it to estimate, then that's 12
<Katey> not 7
<FreeTrade> Ok, you got me there.
<JanetB> wilma is a 2
<FreeTrade> but we May see one more year of hurricanes and it may stop
<Lithium-> JanetB: it made landfall as a 3
<Katey> JanetB, she hit at 3
<FreeTrade> Here is the point folks, the fact.
<FreeTrade> Hurricanes are cyclical
<JanetB> hmmm news here say 2
<Katey> not here
<FreeTrade> They come hard for a number of years
<FreeTrade> Then they tend to go away for even longer
<Disbelief> JanetB - that's the thing about hurricanes, they eventually weaken.
<Lithium-> The storm made landfall as a powerful Category 3 hurricane at 6:30 a.m. ET about 22 miles south of Naples,
<Lithium-> 3
<Lithium-> thanks, bye
<JanetB> no kidding Disbelief
<Pickle> What an asinine conversation.
<Lithium-> but thats from cnn, so it might be slanted, lol
<FreeTrade> Ive heard two stories and one of them is correct which I dont know, one is that they average about 4 years and the other is 10 years when we are in a cycle. I would have to restudy that.
<FreeTrade> Lithium the point is so Far I have been right and corrected myself when I was wrong.. Making myself right.
<JanetB> Lithium-... wonder why the local news here said 2.. I will have to call the station
<OcDoc> FreeTrade: the sunspot cycle is eleven years
<Disbelief> JanetB - because it WEAKENED to a 2.
<OcDoc> Pickle: inane
<Lithium-> FreeTrade: point is that we are still on pace to set a record for a decade
<FreeTrade> OcDoc, The sunspot cycle is a major theory of global warming variation.
<JanetB> Disbelief.. they should say what it hit at and weakened to
<Disbelief> the hurricane scale is not constant for every storm.
<Disbelief> JanetB - they did. repeatedly.
<JanetB> they should not SAY hurrican hits land fall at a 2
<Pickle> OcDoc: Both.
<OcDoc> inanimate
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