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<occ_> dorks!
<bmc> what was minix?
<IamKing> FreeTrade: no, RAID 0 (striping) is what could potentially give you a performance boost, not RAID 1 (mirroring)
<jhicks> TimothyW-: well, he failed :)
<IamKing> FreeTrade: for more detailed info on RAID, please read the following web page ---> http://arstechnica.com/paedia/r/raid-1.html
<FreeTrade> IAMKING, Thats what I meant.
<FreeTrade> I forget which is which though.
<P_O> IamKing, RAID 1 will give a boost on reads I think.
<P_O> All of them tend to.
<bmc> tell me in 5 yrs which is better, pff
<TimothyW-> jhicks : how many OS'es are they ?
<jhicks> TimothyW-: I'm joking, i've got a buncha linux boxes
<occ_> yah, imagine all you guys can do once you get RAID setup
<occ_> it will be a utopia ;)
<bmc> fbsd doesnt have a decent installer and isnt worth a crap for desktops
<IamKing> P_O: no, not inherently...they could make some jacked-up proprietary controller to do something like that with RAID 1, but it's simply not done
<Zenabi> sometimes I wonder is *anyone* knows what RAID is all about
<TimothyW-> nice.
<IamKing> RAID 1 is only for mirroring, period
<P_O> IamKing, odd.
<jhicks> bmc: that's not true at all
<bmc> how are you suppose to attract users without a pretty point and click install
<strider_> mmm pretty colors
<IamKing> P_O: again, read the URL I pasted for FreeTrade :P
<FreeTrade> Well I understand the basics of RAID but it took someone 15 minutes of one on one to explain it to me.
<bmc> see?
<TimothyW> **** colours and programmes
<FreeTrade> That is to say, RAID 0 And RAID 1
<jhicks> bmc: you attract a bunch of losers with all that eye candy
<Zenabi> RAID is for Paranoids! :
<bmc> jhicks yes, they are called users
<P_O> IamKing, I'm just looking at it logically, if you have two drives trying to read off 50mb, reading 25 off of each at the same time would be faster than reading 50 off of one.
<FreeTrade> I still dont understand RAID 5 or any of the others.
<jhicks> bmc: who needs em
<bmc> any OS that wants to survive
<jhicks> hehe
<FreeTrade> Why is Raid 0 For paranoids ?
<Katey> P_O, has he called you an ***tritch yet? :)
<P_O> FreeTrade, raid 5 is a bit of a beast.
<IamKing> P_O: they're designed to run in tandem, not split order on reads
<FreeTrade> Is Raid harder to hack because half the program is on a second drive ?
<P_O> But it's a good one.
<jhicks> It doesn't take much for a piece of working software to "survive"
<FreeTrade> Hald the document ?
<FreeTrade> etc
<P_O> IamKing, ah.
<FreeTrade> half.
<IamKing> P_O: they most definitely right in tandem too :P
<IamKing> P_O: READ THE ****ING ARTICLE :P
<P_O> FreeTrade, no.
<bmc> hey wonder what ever happened to GNU'S kernel
<jhicks> the turd?
<bmc> wtf was that thing called?
<strider_> i run linspire
<jhicks> er, the hurd
<IamKing> FreeTrade: RAID 0 isn't for paranoids
<bmc> yea!
<bmc> hurd
<bmc> haha
<Zenabi> ok...FT...mayb raid is for ppl that have a lack of faoth in their system
<jhicks> it ****s
<IamKing> RAID 1 is for the wasteful paranoids
<bmc> itll be ready any decade now!
<jhicks> hahaha
<IamKing> RAID 3, 5, and 6 are for the smarter paranoids :P
<P_O> FreeTrade, hardware RAID makes it so that you can't even really tell that it's more than one drive.
<P_O> Raid 5 is ***y.
<TimothyW> arguing over Linux and Microsoft and Mac is like which Fast Food Place will make you fat first.
<jhicks> If I wanted Mach i'd just use Darwin
<occ_> heh
<FreeTrade> P_O, My understanding is that Raid0, Writes 1 byte to one disc 2nd byte to 2nd disk 3rd byte to 1st disk etc or something like that. Is that close to true ?
<P_O> And I believe raid 50 is ***ier, (I forget if it's raid 50 or 05 that is)
<IamKing> RAID 6 is ***ier...if you can spare another drive for ECC :P
<IamKing> FreeTrade: your understanding is correct on that
<FreeTrade> Iamking thanks.
<Zenabi> please tell me that none of you have that amd thing
<occ_> so, how much free space do you all have?
<IamKing> FreeTrade: that Ars article gives you a nice little picture to demonstrate
<FreeTrade> And Raid 1 writes the same data to each drive.
<IamKing> yes
<P_O> FreeTrade, not necessarily a byte, but yes, it splits them all based on a certain set size.
<bmc> i only have 10 gb drive to start with
<P_O> occ_, if you count the two harddrives on my other computer
<P_O> 320GB
<P_O> :P
<P_O> Two blank 160s on this desk
<FreeTrade> I have a friend who uses RAID 1 to install programs.. Then when he does he unplugs it
<P_O> FreeTrade, that's not true raid.
<strider_> P_O's hentai collection
<jhicks> I saw RMS pick his toenails with a knife during a panel discussion once
<FreeTrade> so if he downloads a virus which eats one HD, he has the other one ready to slide in place.
<Zenabi> Intel Northwood thank you very much
<bmc> hah
<IamKing> strider_: hahahahah
<IamKing> jhicks: roflmao
<bmc> stallman is a commie
<IamKing> that he is
<IamKing> a ****ing smelly hippie
<occ_> its all tentacles, and the genatalia is blacked out
<FreeTrade> Yeah I know its not true Raid in how he uses it but its not a bad idea is it ?
<jhicks> IamKing: true story, i swear
<IamKing> hahahah
<P_O> FreeTrade, pretty good idea.
<jhicks> IamKing: he sings terribly too
<jhicks> BAD
<FreeTrade> Anyway, I dont know, Do Backups, Have one drive for a backup and then who needs Raid. 1?
<IamKing> FreeTrade: what exactly do you *think* you need/want RAID for?
<FreeTrade> Maybe RAID0
<bmc> raid 1 = performance doesnt it?
<IamKing> bmc: NO!
<bmc> thats 0 ?
<FreeTrade> Well RAID0 I am told performs better
<IamKing> bmc: yes
<P_O> lol
<jhicks> IamKing: I don't mind hippies that much unless they're like RMS
<bmc> wtf is linear
<FreeTrade> Or am I confusing them again
<FreeTrade> which does mirroring
<P_O> Raid 1
<bmc> 0 is striping
<IamKing> yes, RAID 0 (striping) performs better
<FreeTrade> the other one is supposedly more effecient, Raid0
<FreeTrade> Faster
<P_O> Raid 0 is performance boost, but no fault tolerance
<P_O> Raid 1 is mirroring.
<IamKing> RAID 1 (mirroring) is simply disk duplication
<jhicks> right
<bmc> wth is linear mode
<FreeTrade> Raid0 is suposedly better performance and 2 250 gig drives -500
<P_O> bmc, context?
<IamKing> RAID 3, 5, and 6 = striping with ECC
<bmc> raid
<FreeTrade> raid 1 2-250 gigs = 250 gigs data
<bmc> linear mode
<P_O> bmc, never heard of.
<occ_> this is the most boring conversation EVER.
<occ_> holy ****!
<IamKing> FreeTrade: yes
<P_O> occ_, lol
<rond> freetrade 0 is for performance only no duplication of data
<occ_> who cares about the specifics of RAID!?
<occ_> its just stringing hard drives together!
<IamKing> occ_: apparently FT does, so STFU :P
<FreeTrade> I dont know if I want Raid at all. I considered Rain 0
<jhicks> occ_: no, we were discussing podiatrics the other day
<IamKing> heh
<rond> 1 is for dupe but requires 2 drives
<FreeTrade> RAID0
<rond> the others require more drives
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