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<bud``> comcast for business is like 512 up i think
<astrodog> Cry: Comcast has a business connection here that's 10/2, that's $99.
<CryArvach> so...bit torrents away!!!!!
<Nemes> :)
<CryArvach> I would never shoose Commiecast myself
<astrodog> Why?
<Nemes> i am already a complete leach as it is heh
<CryArvach> for the reasons I just mentioned
<Nemes> this is going to ruine me hehe
<bud``> ahh, 384 up for comcast regular, 768 for business
<astrodog> I've never had problems with comcast, myself.
<CryArvach> maybe they are not such ***holes there
<astrodog> In San Diego, 6 years ago, we got 5/1.
<CryArvach> I NEVER had ANY data caps with DSL
<astrodog> Here in Olympia its still fast as hell.
<astrodog> Cry: data caps?
<CryArvach> newsgroups...downloads limited to 2 gigs a month
<Nemes> ouch
<CryArvach> Cox in Vegas has started charging for excessive data downloads
<astrodog> Ah.
<Lithium-> i have comcast, i have 768 up
<CryArvach> a 15/2 FIOS connection is 34/Month
<Lithium-> 6mbit down
<Nemes> Lithium-, thats decent
<CryArvach> 45
<astrodog> Comcast != Cox. ;)
<CryArvach> Cox = Coxuckers
<CryArvach> what they are called in Vegas...lol
<astrodog> Heh.
<Lithium-> bud``: 768 isnt just for business, its also if you choose to pay $10 more a month
<astrodog> When I lived in bentonville, I got Cox.
<CryArvach> I had DSl there though
<astrodog> My hostname was, "ip-here.bent.cox.net"
<bud``> Lithium- oh sweet, i'll sign up
<astrodog> Ah yes.... Bent Cox Internet.
<MadScribe> i get 3 down 512 up
<CryArvach> Lithium...when they start capping or charging for downloaded data.....**** that
<bud``> Lithium- how much is it to just upgrade to the full 8/768 then? $10?
<Lithium-> CryArvach: looks like they gave that up a while ago
<CryArvach> Lithium...its coming back....
<Lithium-> bud``: i get 6/768, and i pay $10 more than i would for 5/384
<CryArvach> node dependence....and the more users they cram onto a node..the more profit for them
<bud``> they have 4 or 8 down according to website
<Lithium-> CryArvach: have they been sending out notices again?
<CryArvach> Lith..depends on the market
<astrodog> Cry: Not exactly. the new cable standards give them alot more room.
<CryArvach> Cox comm in Vegas does what i say they do
<Lithium-> eh, i i used to download every dvd imaginable, not so much anymore
<CryArvach> astrodog..the more people on a node..the more profit for them
<CryArvach> cable ph33rs DSL and FIOS
<Lithium-> comcast blocks ports, which pisses me off
<Lithium-> i liked hosting my own email
<astrodog> Cry: Like I said, not any more. With the new systems in place, connetions aren't node bound.
<CryArvach> YEP!!!
<MadScribe> actually i'm getting 2.8down 312 up
<Lithium-> astrodog: cable is still shared though right?
<CryArvach> astrodog...the more people on a cable node..the less speed....Cables main detraction
<MadScribe> i need a bgger pipe
<CryArvach> yep
<MadScribe> er bigger
<Lithium-> astrodog: only so much bandwidth to be used by x users?
<CryArvach> last I checked..that has not changed
<CryArvach> the FIOS pipes should be insanely wide
<Lithium-> i also dislike seeing all the arp packets in the tcpdump with cable :/
<CryArvach> what ports does commiecast block?
<Lithium-> 25 for sure
<CryArvach> 21
<Lithium-> not 21
<bud``> i use the speed tests on dslreports.com i always get the speeds advertised by comcast
<Lithium-> 21 and 23 are open
<Lithium-> well, here at least
<MadScribe> bud``: try speakeasy.net
<astrodog> Lithium: Its shared, but not by node anymore.
<CryArvach> well..if you run an ftp on 21..you deserve to get busted
<Lithium-> they block the windows ports too
<CryArvach> lol
<Lithium-> 134 and etc
<CryArvach> heheh
<Lithium-> since back from the worm days
<MadScribe> that's good, notbing to complain about there
<CryArvach> well..I guess they do not want script kiddies running amok
<MadScribe> most people aren't aware of what a naked computer expoeses
<MadScribe> er exposes
<Lithium-> yea...
<astrodog> IE, they can put as many people on a node as they want, without overloading the node. Essentally, they can push users from an overloaded node, to an under capacity node. Or even around an over-utilized backbone connection.
<bud``> MadScribe dslreports uses speakeasy as one of the servers for the test, also u can use megapath and others
<CryArvach> MadScribe...many XP Home users are discovering this
<Lithium-> astrodog: but its still one physical cable no?
<Lithium-> astrodog: going from house to house
<CryArvach> astrodog...so they say....
<astrodog> Lithium: Sure. But with the new HDTV rules, there's a ****LOAD of extra cable bandwidth.
<Lithium-> oh
<CryArvach> but I maintain...more users on a node..more profit..**** the speed hits
<astrodog> Something like 128mbps down, per house.
<Lithium-> what are the new hdtv rules?
<MadScribe> cable has a ****load of bandwidth anyway
<astrodog> Cry: There isn't a speed hit, with node usage anymore.
<CryArvach> I am not convinced....
<CryArvach> they cap speed in FL at 128 mbps
<Lithium-> i remember when in 2000 everyone in berkeley was on cable and everyone was getting like 10kb/s during weeknights
<CryArvach> hahaha
<Lithium-> i was pimpin on my dsl in sf
<CryArvach> my DSL in Vegas was not as fast dl as cable..but i had no Data caps
<astrodog> Cry: Because of HDTV opening up more bandwidth, they can add additional DOCSIS headends to a given cable network, along with additional uplinks.
<Lithium-> i've downloaded as much as 150gig a month prolly
<Lithium-> porn and dvds included
<CryArvach> additional...yes..so jam that feckah with more more MORE users!!!
<Lithium-> never got a letter
<CryArvach> finite capacity still
<astrodog> They can also route around network problems now. From one cable tree to another.
<CryArvach> its ComCraptic!
<Lithium-> yea, cable is much more reliabler than dsl
<Lithium-> at least here
<astrodog> Cry: Its finite, but its a large enough ammount that no single node has enough houses within range to **** it up.
<astrodog> ~10gbps, if you used the QAM 128 scheduling alg.
<CryArvach> the cable lines are a more tried and true teh...
<CryArvach> tech
<CryArvach> but FIOS is coming...
<Lithium-> when! when!
<CryArvach> no copper cabling
<astrodog> Fiber to the curb is silly. :P
<CryArvach> its in Tampa FL I am told...
<Lithium-> yea
<CryArvach> astrodog..nope...
<Lithium-> Lupine has it
<Lithium-> lucky *****
<CryArvach> FTTC is Kick***
<CryArvach> peeps like me will pay
<Lithium-> same
<CryArvach> so Verizon will play
<astrodog> Cry: There are HUGE problems with actually using it. Most of them relating to switching. Its a bad idea.
<astrodog> Heh.
<Lithium-> what kinda digging would they have to do to install that in neighborhoods though?
<bud``> how much are people paying for fiber to the home
<CryArvach> bad idea for cable companies...
<astrodog> Lithium: Nothing toto special.
<astrodog> *too
<CryArvach> 45 dollars a month for 15/2 service.....smokes cable
<Lithium-> heh
<bud``> damn!
<CryArvach> 199 month for 30/5
<Lithium-> im excited about google wifiing our city
<astrodog> Cry: It doesn't really effect cable. All it does is make routing slightly less manageable.
<Lithium-> i'd be ok with 15/2 i think lol
<Nemes> lol
<CryArvach> uh huh astro :)
<Nemes> i think most peeps would
<astrodog> Cry: If you
<CryArvach> they would sort of lose the Comcastic theme LOL
<astrodog> d like, I'll go over the technical reasons with ya in PM...
<CryArvach> I need more sleep astrodog...but I ***ure you I am familiar with the gist of it
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