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<Lupine> Null: not true. It depends on what you are doing.. but it is necessary for covering fire
<Null_Ptr> covering fire?
<Fearless> astro: no, not so much =)
<Lupine> Null: however, a civilian need not press an attack. it usually is defensive only
<CryArvach> <Lupine> shees.. what ya doing to carry 4 additional clips? <<< could be a hit amongst High schoolers!!
<pilgrim`> Null I never carry clips except when I have my 1903 springfield available, usually I carry magazines
<Fearless> oh ****
<Fearless> i didn't realize I walked in on #redneck
<Lupine> pil: yea yea, you got me :P
<Fearless> sorry i meant to join #politics
<Lupine> magazines, not clips.. *shrug*
<Null_Ptr> pilgrim` ok you got me i said clips and meant magazines
<CryArvach> yeee-farking hawwwww
<CryArvach> ;)
<Null_Ptr> obviously nobody carries concealed clips (well, almost nobody...)
<Lupine> fearless:naw, rednecks carry shotguns downtheir pants
<Fearless> rofl
<Lupine> null: eh? when I am in a bad area, I'll carry two additional magazines
<CryArvach> nope..they carry them on gun racks...
<OldSchool> Covering fire, you know in the masisve shootouts he gets in every day in the city =x
<CryArvach> never know when food will appear
<CryArvach> Lupine..I just carry my bald head around..it works wonders
<Null_Ptr> haha
<Fearless> there's this sign on the subway i take frequently, that says "NO CONCEALED WEAPONS ON THESE PREMISES"
<Fearless> and i just thought
<Fearless> Who would know?
<CryArvach> the criminals...
<CryArvach> they would complain
<pilgrim`> my weapons of choice are a older dagger shaed knife I have carried more years then I car to count, a 9mm AT-84 Swiss made copy of the CZ75, and a Detonics Pocket 9. The latter is my bedside companion
<Fearless> pilgrim: i just use my penis
<CryArvach> I usually use an appropriate facial expression...and walk tall
<Null_Ptr> i trust my glock26
<Fearless> blunt, sharp, sturdy
<Fearless> what can't it do?
<pilgrim`> fearless you would die, and I would not, then I would be in a far better position to use MY penis ;)
<Lupine> pil: HK P2000sk in .40s&W usually, but have Keltec .380acp for when appropriate
<CryArvach> bbiab...shower and food time
<pilgrim`> Lupine I like to use matched cal
<Lupine> lup: Oh, rarely carry the keltec.. that is a "mouse gun" for swim trunks, etc
<phyro> so, what do you think about bush?
<Fearless> to be honest
<Fearless> I love the guy =/
<Lupine> When I'm in the woods, etc.. and can open carry.. 629cl***ic 6 1/2" ;-)
<phyro> he's funny isnt he?
<Fearless> He's just what America needs right now, in my humble opinion
<phyro> do you think rudi juliani can be the next prez?
<TimothyW> I'm tired of guns
<TimothyW> they are borrrrrinnnnnnnggggg
<Fearless> I totally agree.
<Lupine> tim: good, give me yours. i'll gladly take them off your hands
<Lupine> even if they're worthless, I can get $200 for the next Miami-date "gun turn in" program
<Cathy344> There is nothing more exhilarating as being shot at and missed.
<TimothyW> Lupine : No. I'm tired of earing about them.
<phyro> bye
<sym`> Damn, I wish Rebec was here
<Fearless> Cathy: not even being shot at and hit?
<sym`> Or fallout
<Lupine> Tim: well, i'm tired of hearing about the 2000/2004 election.. how iraq was a war for "oil".. that bush only went there for WMD, etc
<Cathy344> shot at and hit is generally game over.
<Cathy344> shock, blood loss.
<sym`> Any USAF Ret/Active/Family etc. around?
<Fearless> Then you respawn and go for round 2.
<Fearless> Wait, we talking video games or RL? I constantly confuse the two.
<Lupine> Cathy: funny how about 2 seconds of my life seemed like an enternity when I was shot at
<Cathy344> sym: My mom was a crypto clerk in the USAF about 33 years ago.
<sym`> Wow, thats a long time ago
<sym`> I *finally* booked a job!
<sym`> Woot!
<sym`> Well, kinda
<Lupine> sym: big military family. both my dad and uncle wasin the USAF.. I was going to go, but a drunk driver decided to end those plans while I was in HS
<Fearless> my dad is currently active duty Lt. Col officer in the air force
<sym`> Lupine: What do you think is neater, doing an avionics job like F-16 avionics, or doing an In-Flight job like Airborne Communications
<Lupine> my dad got so irate over those in 2004 election and those people "dismissing" national guard service, as he served 8 years [ after 8 years in the AF ]
<sym`> Those are AWACS people
<Fearless> my dad worked AWACS lol!
<sym`> really?
<Fearless> yea
<sym`> thats awesome
<Lupine> neater? I'ld rather be the coffee stewartess on an AWACs than a lead-maintainance staff :-)
<sym`> I was thinking about doing Airborne Communications instead
<Fearless> he loved that job; he really enjoys working hands on with the aircraft
<Cathy344> AWACS has stewardesses?
<Fearless> now he supervises maintenance out on the flightline
<Lupine> cathy: or what ever is the most meaningless in-flight job :-)
<TimothyW> Lupine : Elections are won after the Victor and or Vanquished are gone.
<sym`> Fearless: I don't know how tough it will be to get
<Katey> My father in law was in the Air Force during the Cuban Missile Crisis era
<Katey> He did electronic countermeasures
<Cathy344> Chief Screw Tightener
<sym`> Fearless: I'm going off to boot camp April 11th, under Gen Apptitude in Electronics
<sym`> Meaning, I have to pickl again within the electronics field
<Fearless> good luck to you
<sym`> Thanks
<cM0ss> http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=91812
<Fearless> Military has never really appealed to me; but it's always something I'll support when election time rolls around.
<Lupine> cathy: My college GF is a umm.. in-theatre flight surgeon? she is on the hospital evac planes. flies into theatre in a C5 or the like.. and does actual life-saving operations in the air
<sym`> USAF apparently doesn't give a lot of non-GenApp jobs out
<Cathy344> Lupine: God nkows you can fit an entire hospital inside a C5.
<sym`> I'm just hoping that when I get to BMT, that it'll be available to pick up
<sym`> When I get down there, people with degree's get first crack at it
<sym`> Then it goes based on ASVAB score
<sym`> Well, first crack at whatever is in the electronics field (for me)
<Fearless> I'm kinda bummed because I realized between Web Design and Music Education, I can only choose one for the rest of my life starting next year. =(
<Fearless> pulled between my two loves =/
<Cathy344> I wish Nate[r] would make up his ****in' mind.
<sym`> Fearless: So he really liked it
<sym`> Fearless: Is that what his job cl*** was "Airborne Communications"?
<sym`> Or Airborne Mission Systems
<Fearless> Yea, my dad loves working with the big jets.... if he's home, let me ask him, bbiab
<cM0ss> Fearless: build web pages for rock groups. :]
<Fearless> cM0ss: I just want to teach music lol... or Web Design... and it's just tearing me apart lol
<Cathy344> Build web pages to teach rockers how to play music. There's a service to humanity.
<cM0ss> Good old Iran is calling for our destruction...heh
<Fearless> I think I might just stay with Music Education... but I'm so good at Web Design and I can get good money
<sym`> Fearless: It'd be awesome to talk to him if he didn't mind if he ever got a spare min or two
<sym`> Fearless: Somewhere down the road
<Fearless> sym: I'll see if I can arrange something =)
<cM0ss> Fearless: do both.
<sym`> Thanks man
<Fearless> Right now he's actually working a staff job... a personell manager or something... he hates it, lol
<Fearless> Director of Personell I think
<Fearless> Teaching music would guarantee me a constant job with steady pay... also, I love music and I love working with students... however, I also love computers... it's really apples vs oranges here
<cM0ss> Do both
<Cathy344> Fearless: Which can you do best in your spare time?
<Fearless> I've seen music educators in action... it literally eats their whole lives =O
<sym`> Fearless: To go from flightline to desk
<sym`> I can understand why
<sym`> I would hate it too
<sym`> I bet he misses those days on the flightline
<Fearless> sym: he's only here for another year, luckily... then he's back out on the flightline =D
<sym`> What is your dad?
<sym`> rank wise?
<Fearless> Lt. Col
<sym`> Awesome
<RustyFord> ahhh Civ 4
<Fearless> He's really ahead of his peers as far as job offers are going
<sym`> Fearless: You're dads pretty far up the pecking order
<sym`> Fearless: Was he not able to pilot? or never interested?
<Fearless> My dad is insane; so much work ethic... he's going to retire from the air force eventually, and then go and teach high school/university advanced math =O
<sym`> I see
<Fearless> sym: never was interested
<sym`> I bet he knows avionics guys too
<Fearless> always was into the engineering side
<sym`> My p***ion for awhile thusfar has been eyeing this F-16 avionics job
<Cathy344> When's the F-16 scheduled to be phased out?
<sym`> Or Bomber (integrated) avionics
<sym`> NEVER!
<RustyFord> not for the next 30 years Cathy
<sym`> naah j/k
<RustyFord> at least
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