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<Rayvyn> Darth, Someone's getting indicted for something. It's probably going to be perjury it might be the crime of outing the agent.
<DarthBurg> David Shuster: "Well, Chris, we have heard this a number of different ways today, but the most distinct version came this morning from the New York Times which reported that the President`s top advisor, Karl Rove and the Vice President`s chief of staff, Scooter Libby have now been advised they are in legal jeopardy. This comes as at a crucial phase in this case at a time when there is every indication that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is ready to go back
<Lupine> Ray: if they did not seriously investigate that the leak could have been from Wilson, or Howard Dean, or any other powerful democrat.. the investigation was a whitewash.
<DarthBurg> It`s the development the Bush administration has long feared, after two years, lawyers say Patrick Fitzgerald is prepared to conclude his investigation and has indicated White House officials may soon be indicted. Legal sources say the prosecutors has been communicating with lawyers representing Karl Rove, Scooter Libby and others."
<DarthBurg> thats one opinion
<DarthBurg> Reality: Tom DeFrank: "Well basically, we don`t know a lot. Anybody who tells you that he or she knows what`s going on within the grand jury and within the investigation, I think, really doesn`t know what`s happening. "
<DarthBurg> No known covert agent was outted.
<Lupine> Darth: yes, its funny how all these "leaks" from the grandjury are fine. :-/
<DarthBurg> its just more media smoke.
<Lupine> IMHO: ANY reporter publically discussing ANY illegal information should stand trial.
<Lupine> even *IF* Rove put out her name maliciously.. Novak/etc should all serve a *greater* punishment.
<CryArvach> Lupine.....what 1700 series Cisco routing device supports dual ethernet?
<TimothyW> David Shuster needs to understand that he needs some serious work out sessions.
<redfish> why are people saying whitewater investigations didnt lead anywhere , several people were put in prison right
<Lupine> Cry: no clue.. dont get into that stuff
<Rayvyn> Lupine, Sure but the reporters who named the woman cite Rove and Libby as their sources. That's why they put one of the reporters in jail.
<CryArvach> you do not mess with Cisco??
<Lupine> red: a whole lot of people.
<CryArvach> np "_
<DarthBurg> hahaha
<Rebec> hello boys and Darth
<Lupine> Ray: they put them in jail for contempt/not speaking.. they shuold go to jail NOW for "outing" Plame's name publically.
<redfish> hi rebec
<CryArvach> Rebec |cebeR!
<L0c0> "how can people be expected to say the same thing each time they go before a grand jury?"
<L0c0> LOL
<DarthBurg> Rebec
<L0c0> if they're telling the truth..its' easy
<Lupine> Cry: the networking side of life? No.
<Rebec> hi redfish and cry
<Rebec> Darth how are you?
<CryArvach> Lupine..interesting.....
<DarthBurg> i am fine
<CryArvach> and noted
<Rebec> excellent
<TimothyW> I know I am guilty along time ago.
<DarthBurg> L0c0 who the hell said that?
<CryArvach> interesting...
<SweetLeaf> If you tell them you were sleeping one time then the next time you say I was napping that is not the same thing
<Rayvyn> Lupine, I agree, Bob Novak should be in jail and so should anyone else who named plame. Now I haven't heard that Joe Wilson told any reporter that his wife was in the CIA, all he said that he was sent to check out the uranium claims made by the CIA
<Lupine> Ray: actually, i'ld like to see SOMEONE actually answer the question: was/is Plame actually a "active covert agent".. NOTHING I have ever seen actually says that
<Lupine> Ray: his neighbors knew she worked for the CIA...
<DarthBurg> I imagine the inditements will be of a very minor nature, released at 5:00 on firday, so the News Media can bury it over the weekend.
<Lupine> did Rove/Libby drive around telling his neighbors?
<RustyFord> Cry you should seriously consider getting Civ4
<RustyFord> hehehe
<hans_kung> did the neighbors know exactly what she did?
<Lupine> hans: doesn't matter, if she was an "active covert agent", even knowing she was affiliated with the CIA/govn't is a major outing
<Lupine> but come on.. let's step back. why the HELL would an "active covert agent" that is the wife of a US amb***ador not be suspect to foreign nations??? i mean, come on.
<Lupine> would HIllary Clinton have been an effective hidden spy? No, they all knew who she was.
<[Tempest]> I MEAN, COME ON!
<TimothyW> In 1999 I suggested on a Internet Message / discussion Board that Joseph Wilson's Wife was a CIA Agent. I argued it for about 10 posts. But I know I now she is. I am guilty.
<hans_kung> you think Fitz knows that? Maybe he KNOWs something the guys on #politics doesn't.
<RustyFord> what i want to know who as an amab***ador who ordered Wilson to Nigeria
<hans_kung> There could be that, ya know? Why did the judge allow the grand jury to be empaneled?
<DarthBurg> hans_kung that would stand to reason, yes.
<Lupine> Rusty: I bet that whole issue is being whitewashed
<RustyFord> the second thing i want to know is how and what kind of confirmation process was used to determine if the records he recieved in Nigeria
<RustyFord> Niger , sorry
<RustyFord> how do we know that the NIGERie's didn't forge them?
<Lupine> RF: and her actions (if) she was a "active covert cia agent" directing an amb***ador.. well.. THAT"s gotta be legally ****ed up.
<RustyFord> i mean think about it?
<TimothyW> RustyFord : This case might solve some other issues.
<DarthBurg> hans_kung thats easy, because there were a lot of question being asked. and, coincidently, outing an actual Covert Operative would be a bad thing, so, there is an investigation. in this case a grand jury. and what do you know, the whitehouse has been quite cooperative.
<Lupine> RF: that is another ting they are whitewashing
<RustyFord> as a amb***ador you go to the Niger government and ask "Hey you got any documents"
<RustyFord> they "faithfully say" YES YES we do!
<RustyFord> *tpe type type type type*
<RustyFord> there yah go
<CryArvach> bbl...if needed ...msg me
<RustyFord> now somehow there is something wrong with that story
<hans_kung> wow, we have agreement :) That's scary.
<praxis9> The whole thing is idiotic.
<Rebec> so many things are idiotic
<TimothyW> The Iraqi Government shredded 100000 tons of documents before the War. We might not ever find out what Documents are forged or not.
<TimothyW> They Shredded there Amb***adorial Files and Personnel Files.
<DarthBurg> Bloc did it. he forged the docs, and outted the Wife
<hans_kung> Rebec, I made some way fattening peanut butter chocolate cookies. I baked all the fat out though, so no worries :-P
<hans_kung> want some?
<RustyFord> the other thing i want to know is who sent him to Niger?
<RustyFord> Colin Powell?
<Bloc> yep my name in real life is d. cheney
<DarthBurg> thats known to be the CIA. Tenet.
<Bloc> i come in here between heart attacks and eating baby kittens
<hans_kung> lol
<TimothyW> They shredded the Michael Scott Speicher Files.
<TV_> Howdy folks!
<praxis9> Wilson said that Cheney did. Then he said that "Cheney's office" did.
<DarthBurg> Cheney eats kittens? no wonder he has a bad heart
<praxis9> Of course, none of it was true. Cheney didn't send the liberal to Niger.
<RustyFord> now it seems to me that something as important as going to Niger to investigate WMD claims, Colin Powell would know what and who was being sent
<Bloc> furballs clog the arteries
<RustyFord> does that make sense?
<DarthBurg> i doubt Colon Powell was even sent a memo
<RustyFord> somehow, I don't think you would send an Amb***ador to do a CIA man's job
<Oax> hmm how is Wilson conencted to the CIA. hmnmmmm
<hans_kung> Rusty, how much snow you guys get last night up yonder?
<RustyFord> Oax exactly
<praxis9> No. And you aren't going to write a report that's worth anything by sipping mint tea with despots and asking a few questions.
<RustyFord> praxis EXACTLY!
<praxis9> What the liberals maintain happened is just stupid.
<DarthBurg> smoke and mirrors, all thats missing is George's effects.
<Oax> wait why are they liberals?
<DarthBurg> Lucas
<SweetLeaf> Well Liberals are just stupid what do you expect
<Rockfish> Liberals stupid? Never
<RustyFord> thats the whole thing liberals keep coming up with documents that are forgeries
<RustyFord> hehehehe
<RustyFord> from Dan Rather to Wilson
<Bloc> praxis9, whatever he did, it end up being right...he then put his credibility on the line by publishing it in a major news paper
<RustyFord> does Valerie Plame still work for the CIA?
<Oax> believing the wilson/plame side of the issue makes you liberal? completely independent of ideology? we might as well be playing green team orange team
<Bloc> praxis9, sort of like bernstein and woodward
<TimothyW> RustyFord : ask the CIA that.
<DarthBurg> Actually, Joe Wilson was not right. the British still stand behind the credible attempt of Saddam's Iraq to attempt Uranium purchase from Niger.
<praxis9> Bloc: There is nothing "right" about it. Bush never claimed that Iraq *bought* uranium from Niger. He claimed that British intelligence had indicated that they had.
<RustyFord> Oax no, i think what he is saying is that there are liberals who will stop at nothing
<Rockfish> Oax, no, it just makes you stupid, that makes you likely to be a liberal
<praxis9> Get the distinction? It's rather simple.
<SweetLeaf> If it aint the repubs getting in trouble about the cia it is the dems getting their weenies wet it never ends
<DarthBurg> after all, Saddam's Iraq did purchase Uranium from Niger, previously
<Bloc> praxis9, get the distinction...your own people need to verify everything...once you agree to it stop blaming other people
<RustyFord> well as someone had mentioned earlier
<praxis9> Bloc: And you didn't address the issue. Why? Because you can't.
<RustyFord> the guy who actually WROTE the CIA law says there was no crime committed
<RustyFord> heh
<Disbelief> Oax - no kidding.
<RustyFord> unless it was perjury
<Bloc> you can't offload the blame to the british because they had scrappy intelligence too
<Bloc> the final decision was bush
<Rockfish> Praxis, not even that, he claimed British intelligence indicated that he TRIED to buy uranium
<Rockfish> And according to the former prime minister of Niger, that is true
<praxis9> Bloc: In case you didn't notice, every intelligence agency in the entire Western world believed that Hussein was working on - and had - WMDs.
<DarthBurg> who is shifting the blame? pointing out that the british still back up their claim weakens joe's position
<hans_kung> The guy who wrote the CIA law isn't Fitzy, and he's not the judge that enpaneled the grand jury. I bet they know more than that lawyer everyone keeps citing.
<Disbelief> RockFish - why the HELL would Saddam Hussein buy uranium if he has NO MEANS to refine it ?
<praxis9> Bloc: Another obvious point that you can't address.
<Disbelief> much less weaponize it.
<Bloc> praxis9, not enough to go to war
<praxis9> Bloc: Really? Is that what they said?
<DarthBurg> did Bush say he actually bought it?
<Bloc> praxis9, eg. if north korea had nukes and were about to go to war...that would be greater reason to go to war
<praxis9> Bloc: Funny, because Clinton lobbed cruise missiles into Iraq using WMDs as a reason.
<Bloc> than having scrappy intelligence on wmd's
<SweetLeaf> Did nadler have a chin removed????
<praxis9> But now... Oh, you know, Bush just made it all up. He lied.
<Rockfish> Dis, I don't know, but he had 500 tons of the stuff so it's not a wild accusation that he was trying to get more
<praxis9> It's just idiotic.
<Bloc> praxis9, yep clinton provided a measured response . a super power vs a despot
<DarthBurg> did Winona really steal that purse?
<hans_kung> he lobbed missles because Iraq was not obeying the no fly zones.
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