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<hans_kung> he lobbed missles because Iraq was not obeying the no fly zones.
<hans_kung> or not allowing inspections
<hans_kung> not because he was going to war.
<RustyFord> you know what ****s about perjury
<hans_kung> big difference.
<TimothyW> DisBelief : Saddam was drilling for Plutonium in the North before the war.
<RustyFord> in front of a federal grand jury
<RustyFord> you HAVE to remember
<Disbelief> RockFish - why would he buy more, if he coudln't even weaponize what he had ?
<Bloc> you don't go to the last resort (war) just cause of some violations
<Oax> not to defend clinton lobbing the missiles, but there is a m***ive difference between shootinga few missiles and invading & occupying
<RustyFord> and if you are wrong, it can be considered perjury
<Oax> but you might be able to notice that by erading a newspaper
<Disbelief> TimothyW - AHAHHAHHAHA THAT IS OFFICIALLY --THE-- MOST MORONIC THING I'VE EVER HEARD HERE.
<RustyFord> and there is so many questions in cases like this that it would be near impossible
<Disbelief> <TimothyW> DisBelief : Saddam was drilling for Plutonium in the North before the war.
<Bloc> especially when you have the three ideal conditions for keeping a crappy nation under control 1) embargo 2) inspectors 3) bomb at anytime
<Rockfish> Dis, if he couldn't weaponize what he had why did he obtain that? Don't imply logic to anything Saddam did
<Disbelief> "drilling for plutonium"
<Disbelief> AHAHAHHAHA
<Disbelief> holy ****.
<Disbelief> TimothyW - do you know anything about plutonium ?
<Oax> Disbelief i heard he was farming it
<Bloc> praxis9, think of NK what more would you want than those 3 conditions?
<YYZ> Bloc, if the embargo worked and wasnt' being scammed by the UN you might have a point
<Disbelief> Oax - LOL
<Bloc> yyz, yep that ****ed
<hans_kung> lol
<Rockfish> It's hilarious how much benefit of the doubt liberals are willing to give terrorists
<DarthBurg> Disbelief I am sad, i was hoping to be the most moronic.
<Disbelief> Oax - seriously. my face is hurting from Timothy's comment.
<Disbelief> "drilling for plutonium"
<Disbelief> ahahaha
<Rayvyn> Wilson was sent to Africa because he was an amb***ador who knew the governments in the region. He would be an ideal choice to look into this. Not everyone who does something for the CIA works for them.
<Bloc> yyz, scamming ... not sure if that's worth war
<TimothyW> Disbelief : they was also drilling for Oil at a point near Mosul. They hit something that hit gieger counter so they did both.
<Disbelief> Rayvyn - indeed.
<occ_> hey all
<Oax> Disbelief the best part is how it was stated so factually
<DarthBurg> Joe Wilson also has a history of being non partisan, on paper, he was a great pick
<CometBaby> Wilson went to Africa because his wife wanted him to.
<CometBaby> she pulled strings
<CometBaby> but nice try ravyn
<RustyFord> Comet yeh did Colin Powell know?
<Disbelief> TimothyW - you realize that plutonium only exists in EXCEEDINGLY RARE amounts naturally (and this is an understatement), right?
<Oax> she had the benefit of CIA mind/husband control drugs
<RustyFord> as head of the state department and the bigger question is this.....
<Rayvyn> Wilson first said that Cheney's office wanted him to look into this Niger thing.
<RustyFord> why is she sending a Amb***ador to do a CIA man's job?
<surlly> Plutonium does not exist on earth naturally
<Disbelief> <CometBaby> Wilson went to Africa because his wife wanted him to. <--- what evidence do you have of this ?
<CometBaby> lol and we can believe him can't we.
<surlly> The half life does not allow it
<Katey> Rayvyn, I've read that he never actually said that.
<CometBaby> she pulled it off disbelief
<Bloc> i really think the onus is on the bush admin and not wilson/wief
<Disbelief> surlly - no, it actually does, but like i said, its absurdly rare.
<CometBaby> what more do you need?
<Bloc> everything wilson/wife said was not false
<Disbelief> and it exists only briefly, i believe
<praxis9> Oh, gee. Wilson said Cheney sent him. Then he said "Cheney's office" sent him. And neither was true.
<Katey> She recomended him
<Disbelief> but either way, you don't "drill for plutonium" as TimothyW said
<Rockfish> That's how Wilson's wife got "outed", he claimed Cheney sent him, Cheney said "like hell", people started asking questions and it was revealed his wife worked at the CIA
<Katey> That's how I have heard/read that it went
<Bloc> while bush and crew made a few claims and after 3 years we know they wre less than true
<DarthBurg> don't worry, if Wilson or his wife get indited, i know what the headlines will say, "Bush Whistle Blower Jailed."
<Rockfish> But no, it had to be some evil Republican plot to smear him
<Disbelief> i mean, that's so stupid, i should just put him on ignore, but it brings such laughter and warmth to my heart at the same time, so i cannot.
<TimothyW> Disbelief : the Iraqi's thought they hit Plutonium with the old geiger counters they had. But they found out it was one of other Radioactive Elements.
<surlly> The half life of plutonium is 24 thousand years. Do the math. It cannot exist naturally on a planet that is 3 + billion years old
<Rayvyn> Cometbaby, I agree Wilson's wife probably suggested that they send Wilson. He looked into it and it turns out he was right. In what he said.
<Bloc> wilson/plame are small pees in the big scheme of things as they published one article that has been vetted
<praxis9> What qualifications does a diplomat have in regards to finding out whether or not Iraq sought uranium ore in Niger?
<praxis9> None?
<CometBaby> Former amb***ador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.
<stratacus> Hey how was the parethon funded
<Disbelief> CometBaby - no seriously, what evidence do you have ?
<CometBaby> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html
<Katey> Well, he had worked in that region before, so he had a lot of contacts there.
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, except he wasn't right, Saddam DID try to obtain uranium from Niger
<CometBaby> katey ROFL
<surlly> Comet; You relying on the liberal media for your facts?
<Katey> That was the reason he was suggested by his wife.
<TimothyW> Disbelief : I've said this millions of times before.
<CometBaby> Wilson's ***ertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
<Rayvyn> Cometbaby, How can that be contrary when the CIA did send him? You do know that Wilson's wife had to have clearance or could give him clearance. Now she worked for the CIA so that means the CIA sent him
<IamKing> Wilson is a lying sack of ****
<praxis9> "Contacts" don't amount to anything. Do you suppose that if the leaders of Niger had sold uranium ore to Iraq they would have told Joey?
<surlly> You guys can vilify wilson, Earl, and anyone else you want. At least one big time conservative is goin down
<praxis9> On the face of it, the entire trip was comic.
<Rockfish> I think we have some confusion here, is anyone claiming that Wilson was not sent to Niger by the CIA at his wife's suggestion?
<CometBaby> The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by ***erting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.
<Bloc> praxis9, it's a fallacy to use the idea that because there is a probably of mistake, all of it is a mistake
<TimothyW> Disbelief : The Iraqi Miners and Drillers have been drilling in Mosul for a Substance that is said to come from God.
<surlly> Now pardon me whilst I watch "Victory Garden"
<Katey> I really don't know enough about the specifics of his contacts to comment.
<DarthBurg> who is vilifying anyone. pointing out reality just SEEMS like vilifying to lefty's
<Katey> I was just stating the justification for him being recomended
<Timur> who cars
<praxis9> Bloc: You know, we removed 150 thousand tons of uranium ore from Iraq. It's not like there is any question that Hussein had it.
<Timur> *cares about Wilson or Niger yellowcake
<CometBaby> The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations off
<Bloc> still take wilson/plame out of the picture and ***umed they never reported....
<Katey> Timur, a lot of people do, obviously.
<CometBaby> Wilson lied
<surlly> The fact is, Delay, Frist, Scooter, Rove, and possibly Chaney himself have thier tits in the ringer
<Bloc> i'd still take bush and crew to the cleaners
<Bloc> :)
<surlly> And now we just sit back and watch
<CometBaby> Wilson ***erted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.
<Bloc> but that's my liberal ways
<DStewart> praxis, 300,000,000 pounds??? Seems doubtful.
<Rayvyn> Cometbaby, Yea she recommended him and she was smart to do so. He knew the leaders in that country. Turns out the UN knew those documents were forged long before the CIA did. Now how shameful is that, the UN had better intel than the CIA even after they sent someone to look into it
<CometBaby> now we should suddenly believe him?
<CometBaby> hahaha
<Disbelief> surlly - hehee. yep
<CometBaby> he is a liar
<DStewart> Comet, well, he said "That's bull****." Is that ***erting that she was not involved? :)
<CometBaby> WILSON IS A LIAR
<DarthBurg> surly, that is not even remotely true. Tom DeFrank: "Well basically, we don`t know a lot. Anybody who tells you that he or she knows what`s going on within the grand jury and within the investigation, I think, really doesn`t know what`s happening. "
<Timur> Katey: well, a lot of people should reexamine their focus, imo
<IamKing> Wilson lied! People died!
<CometBaby> he was caught lying
<Timur> we're already in Iraq
<Timur> we have been, and we will be
<DStewart> Rayvyn, how shameful it is that you lie about the documents.
<Disbelief> CometBaby - what do you believe he lied about ?
<Timur> so you can rehash all the reasons for and against til the cows come home
<TimothyW> Disbelief : do you know what is under Iraq ?
<Oax> i don't see how it's relevant why wilson went to niger.
<Bloc> CometBaby, doesn't matter, that point is mutually exclusive to outing an cia agent
<CometBaby> Wilson has ***erted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.
<Oax> when the issue is that his wife was outted
<CometBaby> get it Disbelief ?????
<CometBaby> lol
<Katey> Timur, well, I guess there are people who still have concerns about possible wrongdoing in the administration's efforts to convince the public that it was necessary
<Bloc> wilson can lie all he wants.... it still doesn't give bush and crew to out a cia agent
<Disbelief> TimothyW - hmm ? oil, presumably.
<DStewart> Rayvyn, how shameful it is that you pretend that the documents were the issue Wilson was discussing with the officials in Niger.
<RustyFord> ok then who sent Wilson to Niger? Colin Powell?
<surlly> Well, we've only lost 2000 guys and gals in Iraq so far. Bush still has 48K to go before he reaches LBJ/Nixon stats
<IamKing> Bloc: sure, because it's not illegal in HER case
<Oax> why does it matter what lies wilson told?
<Bloc> IamKing, yep
<Timur> yawn
<TimothyW> Disbelief : no Huge Cities that have been covered up by Sand.
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