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<TimothyW> Disbelief : no Huge Cities that have been covered up by Sand.
<IamKing> Bloc: wait, don't let the letter of the law fool you on this one :P
<Rockfish> Bloc, she was not working in an undercover ***ignment, and she had been outed by Wilson himself months before
<DStewart> Rayvyn, how shameful you pretend that the UN new the doucments were forgeries long before the CIA did--when the UN certainly didn't, and in fact the documents came into the US's hands, not the UN's.
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, It was all part of the same deal.
<Oax> he's not the one about to be indicted here
<IamKing> Bloc: you dumb*** libs always hate the letter of the law
<CometBaby> "Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."
<CometBaby> hahaha
<DStewart> Rayvyn, no, it was most definitely positively not.
<Bloc> Rockfish, we'll let the court decide:) we'll know soon enough
<CometBaby> Liar liar pants on fire
<DStewart> Rayvyn, the Niger trip was not based on the documents.
<DarthBurg> Joe Wilson's creditbility is not perfect.
<surlly> Besides, you guys missed the big news of the day. The voice of "The Jolly Green Giant" died
<Bloc> Rockfish, until text comes from the hearings...we're all making ignorant statements
<Rayvyn> DStewart, The UN knew they were forged before Bush gave his speech. Doesn't matter that they came from the CIA
<Rockfish> Bloc, well that won't even get to court, she hadn't been overseas in 5 years so the law doesn't apply to her, period
<DStewart> Rayvyn, the Niger trip was made about 6 months before the documents even came into anyone's possession (the US's).
<IamKing> Joe Wilson is a liberal idiot on the order of TomM!
<IamKing> heh
<Bloc> Rockfish, :)
<CometBaby> surlly .. well, I believe that all he ever said was "ho ho ho"
<CometBaby> lol
<DStewart> Rayvyn, Bush didn't attribute the claim to those documents.
<Rayvyn> The UN knew they were forged within a day or two
<Oax> CometBaby don't you think the CIA would have a better way to get him sent to niger than having his wife ask him to go? like maybe they could just ask that he be sent
<DStewart> So it was irrelevant.
<DarthBurg> IamKing no, Joe can at least corner enough coin to get a jaguar
<IamKing> Bloc: therefore, any case against anyone for this "outing" of Plame will simply be dismissed, period
<surlly> And he stole that from Santa
<Bloc> i'm proud to be a liberal knowing there are liberals like wilson out there
<CometBaby> Oax .. they why lie about it?
<Bloc> anyways:) peace out
<CometBaby> just to be lying?
<IamKing> DarthBurg: hahahahahah
<DStewart> Rayvyn, and then so did the CIA---which was where the UN got them.
<CometBaby> is he a compulsive liar?
<Rockfish> Bloc is proud to be a fellow liar with Wilson
<IamKing> and another canuck hippie bites the dust
<DStewart> Rayvyn, you know, you've just piled about five lies into your accusations.
<DarthBurg> birdsof a feather...
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, nope not irrelevant because Bush used them in his speech after numerous people told him the information was suspect.
<DStewart> Or let's be tender: Mistakes.
<hans_kung> Cheney lied about knowing who Joe Wilson was, and no big deal about that.
<Oax> CometBaby if wilson got the order from above, why would it be lying to say that his wife didn't ask him to go?
<DStewart> Rayvyn, wrong.
<DStewart> Wrong on two counts: First, Bush didn't use them in his speech AT ALL.
<DStewart> Read the speech.
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, Nope. I guess you missed it.
<CometBaby> Oax ..because that is not what wilson said. Do you want me to paste it three more times for you?
<CometBaby> lol
<DStewart> Second, wrong that numerous people told him the information was suspect.
<DStewart> Rayvyn, no, you missed it. It's not in there.
<Rockfish> Oax, he didn't say his wife didn't ask him to go, he said she didn't have anything to do with sending him, which is false, that is why it's a lie
<IamKing> Rayvyn: British intelligence STILL supports those yellow cake claims, even after being grilled by their own Parliament :P
<Oax> CometBaby no i saw it. let me go read it again
<Disbelief> CometBaby - for a second, lets pretend you're right, and Valerie Plane "sent her husband to Niger," does that change the facts of what he found, in your mind ?
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, Bush's source for his famous 16-word lie were those documents.
<IamKing> Rayvyn: so give it up...it wasn't unfounded, twit
<CometBaby> Disbelief .. yeah being a liar changes things
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, what lie was that?
<DStewart> Rayvyn, in point of fact, the CIA actually APPROVED the African yellocake-Iraq story MANY TIMES for MANY uses by many people.
<CometBaby> a partisan liar
<IamKing> Rayvyn: there were MANY more documents/evidence to support the claim
<praxis9> Disbelief: What "facts" would those be?
<DStewart> Rayvyn, he didn't lie, and his source wasn't the documents.
<Oax> heh is wilson a democrat?
<Oax> I didnt think so
<Oax> but maybe
<DStewart> Rayvyn, hey, how about you quote the 16 words?
<surlly> I like yellowcake with chocolate icing
<DarthBurg> i prefer chocolate cake
<Disbelief> CometBaby - huh? that's rather circular....so what you see as a later lie makes everything he's said a lie ?
<Rockfish> Wilson and his wife were Gore supporters and Kerry supporters, they are Democrat enough
<Disbelief> that's just idiotic.
<stratacus> Hey how was the parethon funded
<DarthBurg> but, Joe Wilson's little adventure to Niger proved nothing.
<CometBaby> The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts.
<DStewart> The 16 words:
<DStewart> ?The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.?
<DStewart> The 16 words weren't based on the documents, but on British intel.
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, Right the CIA knew the yellow cake story was bull and so did the state department. I heard a rumor that Colin Powell looked at the report and said "Bull****" and NEVER used it in any of his speeches
<praxis9> Sigh.
<DStewart> The British intel also wasn't based on the documents.
<DStewart> Rayvyn, you're wrong.
<Zmurf> Isn't there Uranium in USA also?
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, except it wasn't bull, it was true
<praxis9> How many ****ing tons of yellowcake did Iraq have?
<Rockfish> Praxis, 500
<DarthBurg> ask the UN, they are sitting on it
<Rayvyn> Colin Powel never used that Niger BS
<praxis9> Well.
<Rebec> Uranium is everywhere I believe
<Oax> DStewart you think it would be ersponsible to include that if his own intelligence agencies thought it was not true, regardless of what the british thought? technically, saying the british think so is not a lie, but it is deceptive
<Disbelief> CometBaby - you know that URL you posted....maybe you better read the CORRECTION that accompanies it.
<Disbelief> In some editions of the Post, a July 10 story on a new Senate report on intelligence failures said that former amb***ador Joseph C. Wilson IV told his contacts at the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that was interested in making that purchase, but no contract was signed, according to the report.
<surlly> Having the yellowcake is virtually meaningless. Converting it to usable nuclear material is the big trick
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, why should he? He was the secretary of state, this was not a diplomatic matter, it was a security matter
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, No I'm right, you just don't remember how the story unfolded.
<Katey> Disbelief, yeah. It's actually a rather old article. July, 04 I think
<CometBaby> there is only one correction and it doesn't say that wilson told the truth about his wife's involvement
<CometBaby> :)
<Katey> His wife recomended him
<Katey> everyone already knows this
<Rayvyn> Rockfish, But Powell used the other more substatial info in his speech before the UN. He was suspiciouis of that Niger BS.
<Oax> ah this partisan hack Joe Wilson, was appointed by Bush Sr.
<DarthBurg> except Joe
<CometBaby> Katey .. Disbelief didn't
<DStewart> On February 18, 2002, the U.S. emb***y in Niger sent a cable describing a new account of the alleged deal. The account, it said, "provides sufficient detail to warrant another hard look at Niger's uranium sales." The cable further warned against dismissing the allegations prematurely.
<|Glitch|> Greetings.
<Katey> Well, I recall that it was common knowledge
<DStewart> Throughout the spring and summer, finished intelligence products from several U.S. intelligence agencies cited the reporting on Iraq and Niger as evidence that the Iraqis were continuing their pursuit of nuclear weapons. Some of these noted the doubts of the skeptics, while others were more aggressive in their analysis. A September 2002 DIA paper, for instance, was titled Iraq's Reemerging Nuclear Program. It declared: "Iraq has bee
<DStewart> NOT based on the documents.
<Rayvyn> Cometbaby, Maybe wilson lied to keep his wife's identity a secret
<DStewart> The CIA also cleared several references to the Iraq-Niger intelligence--some more direct than others--for use in speeches written for President Bush. This language was cleared by the CIA on September 11, 2002:
<DStewart> We also know this: within the past few years, Iraq has resumed efforts to purchase large quantities of a type of uranium oxide known as yellowcake, which is an essential ingredient in this [enrichment] process.
<Katey> Well, he could simply say that he was recomended by a contact that he has at CIA
<Zmurf> Aye, uranium is owned by several nations, even tho know it is wrong to let them slip into wrong hands , why should the uranium or plutonium be owned by any nation? If we are to expect middle east and Russia law down theirs, should not the UN and the USA get rid of theirs to set a good exampel instead of act with brutal force?
<Katey> not really any need to reveal anyone's identity
<DStewart> Although Bush spoke the following day at the United Nations, he did not use the CIA-approved language.
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, And it turned out to be BS
<DStewart> The first public mention of the intelligence reporting on Iraq and Niger came on September 24, 2002, in a white paper produced by the British government. "There is intelligence that Iraq has sought the supply of significant quantities of uranium from Africa." The CIA had reservations about the British dossier, but not because of its substance. Despite the fact that the British paper did not link the intelligence to Niger, officials
<Katey> But again, I have read that he never did actually say that Cheney recomended him
<Disbelief> CometBaby - do you believe that recommendation is tantamount to her sending him herself ?
<surlly> You know, even if Iraq had the bomb, it would not be at all like say, North Korea or Pakistan. We "owned" iraq. We flew over it at will. If they ever tested a weapon, or actually had one demonstrably at thier disposal we could have invaded then
<DarthBurg> DStewart you are just clouding the situation with troublesome facts Liberals will simply dismiss in their hatred for Bush anyway
<DStewart> Rayvyn, actually it has not turned out to be BS. You're wrong about that too.
<Katey> Disbelief, there's no way that she had that authority
<Disbelief> katey - cuz he never said that. he's explained numerous times that he went on behalf of the CIA, who was tasked by cheney's office.
<Rayvyn> Notice that Bush said "British Intel rather than the CIA. It was clear they wanted to put the blame on the Brits when everyone found out the story was BS
<Disbelief> katey - indeed. i agree.
<Katey> Disbelief, yeah
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, I would suggest you read this article, it will explain your errors to you
<Katey> that's always how I have heard it discribed
<Rockfish> http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/217wnmrb.asp
<Katey> and that his wife recomended him
<DStewart> Rayvyn, I've now proven that I do not just fail to remember how the story unfolded; I've proven that you do NOT know how it unfolded (and won
<CometBaby> Disbelief do you think his response to the questions about it is tantamount to his telling the truth? :)
<Katey> which came out after her identity was revealed
<DStewart> won't bothter to learn, because it'll mess up your hatred).
<CometBaby> or do you agree, that he lied?
<Disbelief> katey - its like saying that if a high school professor gives me a letter of recommendation to Harvard, that got in cuz he wanted me to.
<tnzr> If any man says he hates war more than I do, he better have a knife, that's all I have to say.
<DStewart> September 24, staffers at the National Security Council (NSC) asked the CIA to clear additional language on Iraq and Niger. "We also have intelligence that Iraq has sought large amounts of uranium and uranium oxide, known as yellowcake, from Africa. Yellowcake is an essential ingredient in the process to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." The CIA once again approved the language, but once again the president did not use it.
<DStewart> The Senate Select Intelligence Committee met on October 2, 2002, and questioned senior U.S. intelligence officials in closed session about the threat from Iraq. Here, for the first time, a senior CIA official raised doubts about the reporting on Iraq and Niger. Responding to a question from Senator Jon Kyl, who asked if there was anything in the British white paper that the CIA disputed, deputy CIA director John McLaughlin said this
<DStewart> The one thing where I think they stretched a little bit beyond where we would stretch is on the points about Iraq seeking uranium from various African locations. We've looked at those reports and we don't think they are very credible. It doesn't diminish our conviction that he's going for nuclear weapons, but I think they reached a little bit on that one point.
<CometBaby> there were people who already knew she was with the cia
<tnzr> so who got indicted??
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