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<Pickle> And their following of useful idiots.
<bmc> what is MSM?
<jhicks> Airbuster: he's a cl***ic east-coast liberal
<Disbelief> convenient cuz she was there, and they knew her, and that she's obviously anti-abortion.
<jhicks> Born in New Haven, CN
<bmc> if it means mainstream media it is inaccurate
<Katey> Disbelief, seems like there are so many other people that he could have picked from though
<Disbelief> pressure because the whitehouse is coming apart at the seams
<Katey> It just struck me as really weird
<Pickle> Like the total ****ING RETARDS who shout out "lefits!!!" whenever some example of their corruption is brought to light.
<bmc> washington post had the constitution on front page
<DarthBurg> lol
<Airbuster> the only way Bush would appoint a very conservative judge would be if he were forced to do so
<Pickle> Useful idiots.
<jhicks> Pickle: what about "dam bias lefits!!" ?
<DarthBurg> "whitehouse coming apart at the seams." hahahahahahahahahah what ****ing PLANET do you live on?
<Airbuster> but I'm somewhat on the fence about Miers
<Glock21> It'd be nice to know whether or not Miers has any experience with Constitutional Law that would amount to being enough to be knowledgeable about all the precedents in effect.
<Timur> instead of either bemoaning or rejoicing at the state of the administration, it'd be more sensible, I think, to look at the issues we all have to deal with
<pilgrim`> bmc how so? I read forign press, and news wires becasue I refuse to watch TV and know most papers lie
<Katey> Disbelief, yeah, but the anti-abortion people didn't want someone who was quietly anti-abortion
<Katey> They wanted a big name
<DeDannan> koom bah yahh..m'lord...koom bah yahh...
<Airbuster> don't know enough about her to make a judgement
<jhicks> Katey: Ralph Reed
<Katey> jhicks, lol
<jhicks> that would have made them happy
<bmc> pilgrim` well one of the mainstream media did emphasize the constitution as opposed to 2k dead
<DeDannan> Timur, nah..its a cheerleading constest...
<Pickle> jhicks: That too. ****ing idiots, eh?
<jhicks> hehe
<pilgrim`> seems to me that liar liar is a good term for most media
<Katey> Well, honestly, I think they would have been at least satisfied with another one like Rhenquist.
<Timur> DeD: it is, too often, but that's not what has any real value or, at least for me, much interest
<bmc> aaron brown on CNN also
<bmc> or wtf ever his name is
<pilgrim`> bmc I have noted a report in Le Monde on the const.
<Disbelief> Katey - i'm not so sure she was 'quietly' antiabortion.
<Katey> Someone with a good background in constitutional law who is also a conservativev
<bmc> but even he said the 2k dead should take front seat
<ajofi> Glock21: Specter said last week that she told him she supported Griswold vs. Connecticut and then called to tell him that she didn't mean that at all. And in another case she said "i'm going to have to bone up on that." So I'm very skeptical that she knows much at all about constitutional law.
<bmc> and i bet the parents of the 2k dead would agree with him
<Glock21> I'm doing a three part rant on Roe v. Wade on my blog -> http://glock21.blogspot.com
<pilgrim`> the Strait Times of SPore seemd to cover it fairly
<Disbelief> but i think that's exactly what Bush (and some democratics, ironically) are wanting: a COVERT anti-abortion nominee
<Katey> Disbelief, I dunno. I can't get around what an odd decision it was.
<Pickle> Especially the ****ing loser retards who think that mocking every instance of leftist corruption somehow makes them a "libertarian" or some kind of wise contrarian rather than just a buffoonish fellow-traveller of statists.
<DarthBurg> the thing i get a kick out of, is the fact, that it is perfectly acceptable for Democrats to nominate Pro-Abortion Judges, yet Republicans are somehow selling out by putting up Pro Lifers. makes no sense to me
<Pickle> Those people are really silly, eh jhicks?
<DeDannan> Timur, me either..but I've long since given up any attempt to move beyond it here...all thats left is to lampoon those who take themselves far too seriously
<Hangfire> DarthBurg how about decrying cronyism?
<TimothyW> **** You Arab League
<TimothyW> The Arab League opposed the call for sanctions following the announcement of the Mehlis report accusing some Syrian officials in connection with the ******ination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri. The press release issued by the league reminded that before taking any steps they should wait for the release of United Nations Chief Investigator Detlev Mehlis's report on the completion of the inquiry into the Hariri murder.
<Hangfire> DeDannan messages
<Glock21> ajofi... I sided with two of the concurring opinions, but not the opinion of the court in Griswold.
<Timur> lol
<jhicks> Pickle: I was awk. Yeah, totally ridiculous :)
<Timur> you're actually debating Griswold?
<DarthBurg> Hangfire the cronyism charge is just to weak, not with Dem Senaotrs's wives lobbying ala Linda Daschle, or Bubba's Cabinet choices, like his FEMA head.
<Disbelief> katey - i think bush got signals from some democrats that they wouldn't put up stiff resistance because she's not on record as saying she'd overturn row v. wade, unlike many of the Federalist-type sure-bet nominees. this way they can both get what they want: bush gets to appoint an anti-abortion judge who will rule the christian-right's way, and the democrats can claim ignorance.
<jhicks> dma bisa lestif!
<Pickle> And then of course there are the genuine leftists who think shouting out "lefists!!! hehehehee" whenever their gurus are exposed as frauds distracts from the core issue--that they follow corrupt state-terrorism apologists.
<Timur> strange
<Pickle> It doesn't by the way.
<Katey> Disbelief, but the thing is, the hard line social conservatives WANTED the big fight
<Pickle> You know. Guys like Galloway, hero of the left.
<jhicks> Pickle: ya know what that white stuff on chicken**** is?
<Katey> They wanted the whole fillibuster and the "nucular option" etc
<jhicks> That's chicken**** too :)
<Katey> They wanted the big show-down
<DarthBurg> we wanted to watch the left met down, Dubya robbed us
<DarthBurg> melt
<jhicks> ok, i gotta move all these amps
<DarthBurg> (sniff)
<jhicks> bbiab
<jhicks> The neighbors are gonna LOVE this
<Disbelief> katey - true. i think both bush and the democrats wanted to avoid just that, while also getting what they wanted.
<ajofi> glock21: there were six opinions in that case
<DarthBurg> Bush has been reaching across the aisle since day one, what, exactly, specifically, has it gotten him?
<Pickle> So, leftists and phony libertarians, keep shouting that stupid meme out every time your masters are exposed as corrupt evil bastards. It only helps the other side.
<Glock21> ajofi... I agreed with the two that concurred strictly on due process grounds.
<Katey> Well, I think Bush would have had an easier time of it if Bush had just found a more qualified quietly anti-abortion candidate
<Glock21> I disagreed with the one's basing it on some "right of privacy" hidden in the penumbra of the Bill of Rights.
<Glock21> I also disagreed with the dissenters who for some reason didn't believe that the courts should take a heavy hand in protecting rights in spite of the broad language of Amendment XIV.
<DeDannan> some rather pithy bromides to ponder...
<Katey> no shortage of pith in #politics
<Airbuster> in a free nation, winning over the American people with your own views via free and open debate is more important than compromise, I always say
<Hangfire> <Airbuster> in a free nation, winning over the American people with your own views via free and open debate is more important than compromise, I always say
<Hangfire> ok
<Hangfire> now I wonder
<Hangfire> so you're saying everything going your way
<DeDannan> but then again...lets just toss a few labels..why not?
<Hangfire> is MUCH more important than consensus and compromise?
<Hangfire> ooooookaaaaaaaaaay
<Glock21> My rift with some of the conservatives in the court is that I don't believe the legislature alone is empowered to determine where a citizen's rights end and the compelling state interest begins. I like having the courts being able to act as a check there, and I feel their power to do so is inherent in the Constitution.
<Hangfire> dictatorship much?
<DarthBurg> in the real world, we use labels, some are even federally mandated
<Airbuster> Hangfire, only compromise if you can't win over the people
<Katey> Glock21, I agree
<Airbuster> Hangfire, there's nothing dictatorial about debate. That'
<Glock21> Now when civil rights aren't an issue, I'm a hell of a federalist.
<DeDannan> DarthBurg, labels are useful..at the supermarket...
<Pickle> I think that, at present count, Charles Johnson couted six wholly separate repititions of the "grim milestone" media mantra. That's pretty funny.
<Airbuster> it's the basis of democracy, really
<Pickle> counted, even.
<bmc> federalism is teh sux
<Hangfire> free and open debate only if it's your way
<Hangfire> yeah not much of a dictorship
<DarthBurg> DeDannan they are useful when they are accurate, in ANY field
<Pickle> Griiiiim miiiiiilestone.
<Timur> sigh bbl
<Glock21> But I think civil rights are strongly protected by the judicial power thanks to the Bill of Rights and other Amendments, primarily Amendment XIV though.
<DeDannan> DarthBurg, ahh..."when they are accurate" :)
<Pickle> Everyone remember. It's a grim milesstone.
<Airbuster> free and open debate is how the best ideas are win out over the less-fit
<Disbelief> Pickle - sure, its silly, but has nothing to do with ideology.
<Hangfire> oh god
<Hangfire> please don't use that social darwinism crap
<Hangfire> it's well... crap
<DarthBurg> DeDannan like criticism, labels only work when they are accurate.
<Airbuster> debate=darwinian evolution of ideas
<DarthBurg> accuracy counts ya know
<tnzr> http://tinyurl.com/9skau
<bmc> the courts are suppose to protect our rights, instead they diminish and deny them
<Hangfire> ROFLMAO
<tnzr> ^--- bwahaha
<Hangfire> AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
<Glock21> If only the legislature is involved in determining what civil rights we have, only the popular civil rights would be upheld.
<Hangfire> Disbelief <Airbuster> debate=darwinian evolution of ideas
<Hangfire> did you see that?
<Hangfire> ROFL
<Hangfire> ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
<DeDannan> DarthBurg, indeed it does...which is why I'll continue to lampoon their misuse and abuse
<Airbuster> you know what I mean
<Glock21> bmc... the eminent domain fiasco was atrocious.
<DarthBurg> DeDannan Carry On
<DeDannan> thanky :)
<Glock21> The medical marijuana decision was probably even worse.
<Pickle> Disbelief: When the media dogpiles on a silly irrelevancy and utterly ignores REAL significant milestones in Iraq (and I would say that the population turning out in larger numbers than we see here to vote in a constitution qualifies), that serves a particular ideology, whether intentional or not. And I think there's plenty of evidence suggesting it IS intentional.
<bmc> the courts are our last line of defense in preserving our rights, when they fail in their duty there is only but one solution remaining
<DarthBurg> anyone claiming the US Media is objective in this day and age are simply not paying attention
<Airbuster> backroom dealmaking doesn't help to advace your cause nearly as much as a chasimatic orator and debator fighting for it in the public arena
<Airbuster> that's basically what I'm saying
<Hangfire> yeah great
<Hangfire> and you know what that's about?
<Hangfire> hoow to win the m***es 101?
<Airbuster> I don't see where the laughing comes from
<Hangfire> appeal to their basest interests
<Hangfire> I do
<bmc> you can win them one of two ways
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