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<YYZ> maybe the Air Force is afraid of all the small arms fire!
<^rcane> Timur: he just took his name....
<Zmurf> The point is, both side see each other as terrorists. Or there would be no war at all. The only way to stop the ongoing terror is for the strongest party to bury their war axe and let the caused damage remain history and remembered, and nto a drive to cause more unrest. Or do we have to suffer a high tech crusade?
<TimothyW-> Timur : no.
<Timur> rc: did he?
<|Glitch|> TimothyW-: True, and he was also an individual that Saddam had snuffed.
<CometBaby> sweet I bought a dell .. and it was brand spanking new
<^rcane> Timur: abbas is not mahmouds real name.. hell mahmoud is not even his real name
<|Glitch|> ^rcane: See http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113719,00.html
<Timur> Tim: so you're agreeing with me, that Abu Abbas is not Mahmoud Abbas?
<CometBaby> I had no issues with it at all
<SweetLeaf> Kerry is soooooooooooo full o ****
<TimothyW-> Timur : no.
<Timur> Abu Mazen
<YYZ> Zmurf, that would be a great theory, IF you could reason with terrorists, but terrorists arn't a soveriegn country, they are organized in cells that can't be collectivly bargained with
<Timur> Tim: well, they're not the same person
<Sublimer> whatcha think about iran?
<CometBaby> but .. if I had .. it would have cost them :)
<TimothyW-> Timur : yes
<DarthBurg> did John ****in Kerry sound off again?
<Sublimer> heh
<Rebec> Timur I thought they were different people
<SweetLeaf> I have had nothing but bad luck with Dell
<DStewart> Rayvyn, uh, those ARE the dates. You are the one making it up.
<Timur> Rebec: they are
<TimothyW-> grr
<SweetLeaf> desktops laptops keep them
<^rcane> Timur: why would abu mazen choose the name abbas?
<Rebec> Timur ok
<DStewart> Rayvyn, do you know that Wilson said, in his NYT Op-ed, that he knew the documents were forgeries?
<SweetLeaf> their restore CD
<|Glitch|> DarthBurg: Who cares? Nobody listens to a traitor.
<TimothyW-> ^rcane : different dialects.
<SweetLeaf> never works right
<^rcane> Timur: first name abu his real name... his adopted last name is abbas
<Timur> rc: dunno. Maybe he has a son named Abbas.
<^rcane> it isn't hard to put together
<DarthBurg> |Glitch| no, but a whole lot of idiots voted for the traitor
<Timur> uh
<^rcane> abu..... abbas....
<SweetLeaf> after tech support runs out you are F&*(^&*
<Timur> Abbas is a common name among Arabs
<DStewart> Rayvyn, do you know that he subsequently claimed to have "misspoken" when confronted by Paula Zahn and by the SEnate Intel committee about the fact that the docs didn't exist when he took his trip?
<Timur> that's not revealing in the least
<^rcane> Timur: why not just use the name abu mazen?
<|Glitch|> DarthBurg: Which tells you just how low the Democrats have sunk.
<DStewart> Rayvyn, every last claim you've made about this matter has been false.
<^rcane> Timur: fine... but his real name is not abbas , it is mazen
<CometBaby> Rayvyn is suddenly very quiet
<DarthBurg> John Williams changed his name to Muhammed
<CometBaby> wonder why
<tortus> misspoken is a euphemism for lied
<Lupine> DStewart: not every last claim. He got "Joe Wilson"'s name right :-)
<Timur> rc: actually, per the article I'm reading, Abu Mazen is the adopted name, Abu Abbas is the birthname. Who cares, anyway, really. :)
<DarthBurg> spin (Formerly known as lying)
<CometBaby> maybe she is at democratic underground looking for new lies to post?
<occ_> SOUTH PARK.
<^rcane> Timur: mamoud abbas, not abu abbas :)
<DStewart> tortus, in this case, at least, it's hard to see how it could be otherwise than a lie. I mean, he HAD NOT SEEN THE DOCUMENTS yet he claimed to have known on sight that they were forgeries because the dates and names were wrong.
<Lupine> occ: oh ****.. no cable.. gonna miss the new southpark :(
<Timur> rc: damn, see, now you got me running in circles
<^rcane> lol
<|Glitch|> tortus: Not necessarily. Lies require an intent to deceive. Whereas if you mispoke it could be a simple mistake, with no intent to deceive.
<Rebec> I am lost
<^rcane> Timur: why cant he just use his real name?
<Rebec> what are you two running circles about
<^rcane> Timur: what is with muslims using aliases? atleast two
<^rcane> Timur: seriously... it is fishy
<tortus> a mistake should be described as "mistake". misspoke is something else
<^rcane> hey rebec
<Rebec> hey rcane
<Rockfish> Misspeaking is a mistake is it not?
<tortus> "i was mistaken"
<DStewart> And Rayvyn, this one's special for you!
<|Glitch|> tortus: I have mistpoken a few times with posts to this channel. When someone corrects my mistake I typically acknowledge the correction and my error. That doesn't mean I intentionally lied.
<Timur> rc: his real name is Mahmoud Abbas
<DStewart> In the days leading up to the president's State of the Union speech, the Iraq-uranium-Africa claim was used repeatedly by senior U.S. officials.... Secretary of State Colin Powell even used a generalized version of it in a January 26, 2003, speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland: "Why is Iraq still trying to procure uranium and the special equipment to transform it into material for nuclear weapons?"
<tortus> misspoke looks like, i meant to say one thing, but i said another thing
<^rcane> Timur: so why is he uses abu mazen? is he trying to hide from law enforcement?
<DStewart> Rayvyn, that's COLIN POWELL.
<^rcane> uses = using
<Timur> rc: it's common among arabs to be given a name referring to one's son
<gopp> Timur should I quit irc
<surlly> Without clouding the issue, no one has found any evidence of an active nuclear weapons program in Iraq, have then?
<tortus> like tourettes, that is misspeak
<^rcane> Timur: so he named his kid abbas abbas"
<CometBaby> DS .. Rayvyn doesn't want to hear anymore :)
<CometBaby> lol
<YYZ> leaders must use the thread of nuclear weapons; a reasonal argument based on 12 years of sanction-violations by Iraq won't convince a sound-bite populace.
<^rcane> Timur: no way
<Rockfish> surlly, yes they have
<Timur> like Mohammad Quwais, father of Ismail, aka Abu Ismail
<Timur> Abu = father of
<Rockfish> well, not active, but planned and waiting
<Rebec> Timur Abu Rebec
<tortus> you want to say global, you instead say goldball
<Timur> gopp: well, I'd recommend it to you, but then I'd have to follow that advice for it to be meaningful, and I'm not quite willing to do so
<tortus> that is misspeaking
<surlly> Rock; WHere? The diffusion apparatus, the centrifuges, the plutonium reactors, where wwere they?
<Timur> Rebec: who's your daddy.
<tortus> telling a lie, that is not misspeaking
<Rebec> Timur lol...I don't have one.....
<surlly> Rockfish: I could plan a nuclear program
<Rebec> I need to get one damn it
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, The CIA sent Wilson to look into the information contained in those forged documents. The Documents were from 1999 and Italian intelligence told the CIA about them. read this. http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm
<surlly> ANd still be waiting in 100 years
<|Glitch|> surlly: Who cares? We aren't at war with WMDs, we're at war with international terrorists and the nations that support and/or provide them safe harbor.
<tortus> speak is more about enunciation than thought
<Zmurf> For one I picture this person who get blamed for an event, and he say in fury, ha , we did not do that, but hey we shall show them what we will do. This is how this conflict started. Noone just start a war out of the blue. There has to be an unfair justice, thats how anger comes forth. And with anger comes revenge , and revenge is terror.
<Timur> Rebec: well if I'm T. abu Rebec, it's me
<YYZ> the fact that a reasonable non-wmd based argument was on the table but has been totally ignored by the media prooves i'm right; you can convince the population based on any reasonable argument, it's must be an emotioal argument based ultimately on fear and revenge
<YYZ> *can't convince I mean
<surlly> Glitch; I speaking to the nuke issue everyone here is talking about
<Rebec> Timur I know that's why I was teasing you
<^rcane> Timur: ah... that is just *** backwards...
<DStewart> Rayvyn, the documents were NOT from 1999.
<CometBaby> Rayvyn you are using a biased leftist website?
<Timur> rcane: you might've heard of Jewish men named 'something BEN somethingelse'
<Timur> same thing.
<^rcane> Timur: what about usama bin laden?
<DStewart> Rayvyn, you're now QUOTING WILSON'S LIES.
<Timur> Moshe BEN Yaakov
<^rcane> Timur: usama of laden
<|Glitch|> surlly: It's a distraction, and not the point of the war.
<Rebec> my friend is ben ami
<TimothyW> Timurrebe Ali Abu Mamas would be a driedful name to have.
<DStewart> He has already REPUDIATED that statement, Rayvyn. I have already pointed that out to you.
<surlly> Glitch: WMDs were not the point of the war?
<Rayvyn> The documents were from the late 90s. maybe it was 1999, not sure about that but they were the source for the iraqi-niger uranium sale
<DStewart> Comet, Rayvyn, wrong.
<Timur> rc: that really means Osama b (from) l (definite article) Aden (port city in Yemen, where his ancestors are from)
<|Glitch|> surlly: Nope.
<RustyFord> this game is soo cool
<DStewart> They were not the source.
<Timur> b=bin
<RustyFord> there is everything in it
<Rockfish> Glitch, one reason among many
<^rcane> hmm
<gopp> RustyFord I have the blues
<RustyFord> religion, everything
<^rcane> i thought the l was with the aden...
<CometBaby> DS .. what?
<RustyFord> gopp get Civilization 4
<surlly> The main reason I recall
<Rockfish> Sorry, surlly, one reason among many
<^rcane> not a seperate piece
<DStewart> Rayvyn, you're taking Wilson's article as your source for that claim, and he has already himself repudiated that.
<CometBaby> I didn't cite those documents
<RustyFord> its the most awesome game i ever played
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