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<RustyFord> its the most awesome game i ever played
<DStewart> Comet, sorry.
<RustyFord> if you are into strategy and are sick of FPS
<DStewart> Comet, no, Rayvyn is quoting Joseph Wilson's article---the one FULL of lies.
<RustyFord> this game rocks
<^rcane> so it is usama bin l aden?
<Rockfish> surlly, main reason according to whom, nobody in the admin ever prioritized their reasons
<|Glitch|> Rockfish: Precisely, with the primary focus of eliminating terrorists and the nations that provide them support and/or safe harbor. Just like the law says.
<CometBaby> DS I realize that .. apparently she doesn't
<Rayvyn> and here is the CNN story that cites the same thing, wilson was sent to Africa on information in those documents http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/07/16/fbi.niger/
<RustyFord> gopp Civ makes Civ3 look like 1982
<Swigert> Hi
<RustyFord> heheh
<DStewart> And this specific lie, that he was investigating claims based on the documents, Wilson has already repudiated.
<Swigert> rusty: Civ4?
<Timur> rc: right. 'el' or 'l' being like the hebrew 'h', the definite article 'the'
<RustyFord> yeap
<RustyFord> its freakin awesome
<DStewart> Rayvyn, you dope.
<Swigert> rusty: i would get that if my laptop could take ti - not sure that it will
<DStewart> For christ's sake, can't you freakin' read?
<DStewart> "The documents, according to officials, were first provided to Italian intelligence in late 2001. The United States did not gain possession of them until nearly a year later, in October 2002, when a journalist turned them over to the U.S. Emb***y in Rome, U.S. officials said."
<surlly> ANyway, no WMDs
<RustyFord> I got LUCKY to get the game, it was on the shelf at 11am this morning, the guy sold me a Collectors edition copy
<RustyFord> his last copy
<Timur> wow, I wonder if I come to this channel in 10 years if a subject other than 'Iraqi WMDs' will be discussed. :)
<^rcane> Timur: so it is just in the western world the l and aden are combined?
<|Glitch|> surlly: They found WMDs in Iraq, but that still wasn't the purpose of invading Iraq.
<surlly> Glitch: Where?
<DStewart> Rayvyn, so let's see. Wilson's repudiated his claims about the documents made in his article. You then cite another article that points out what I have already said: We didn't have those documents until 8 MONTHS AFTER WILSON'S TRIP.
<tortus> timur: some think the wmd are the crux of the entire era
<^rcane> Timur: what about timmys favorite person? saddam al hussieni al tikriti :)
<Rockfish> surlly, US forces were attacked with sarin
<surlly> you guys are incredible
<Timur> tortus: seems like
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, The CIA knew of the documents from Italian intelligence. They used that information and sent wilson to look into it.
<Timur> rc: is he? hard to believe
<tortus> timur: its what you get when you make an entire generation fear bombs fromthe soviets
<|Glitch|> surlly: Several hundred artillery shells containing sarin and mustard gas were foun in on the banks of Tiggres River just south of Bagdad.
<Timur> I mean, when there are such more impressive brutal dictators around
<Rockfish> Yeah, we're incredible, how about David Kay, is he incredible? "We now have three cases in which scientists have come forward with equipment, technology, diagrams, documents and, in this case, actual weapons material, reference strains and botulinum toxin that they were told to hide and that the U.N. didn't find,"
<^rcane> Timur: not really, he hates him.. biut how do you explain that name? saddam al huessani al tikriti :)
<surlly> Glitch: Got a reference for that? Id like to look at the evidence?
<Rebec> glitch no one wants to admit that
<Disbelief> surlly - you see.. there was this 2 decade old artillery shell, in the desert, and it had some trace amount of a sarin risidual.....ergo, WEAPONS OF M*** DESTRUCTION!!!
<TimothyW> ^rcane : on the CIA Iraq File it was Saddam Husayn Al-Tikriti not the american version of the name.
<Swigert> 2 weeks of waiting and my laptop has a minor flaw in it that I can't fix, and seems posisble it might have to go back
<Rayvyn> It doesn't matter if the CIA had the originals, they acted on the information in those documents. That's where the information of the uranium sale came from.
<icmps> |Glitch|: Of course, that makes it all worthwhile. *sigh*
<Rebec> rcane that's his city
<|Glitch|> surlly: Of course: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html
<Zmurf> The only country who has m*** destruction weapons are Russia and USA, end of story.
<redfish> REBEC:>
<Timur> Zmurf: wrong, as usual
<icmps> Zmurf: China
<gopp> icmps A main reason gas prices are so high is the fact that no one in America has built a new refinery in decades. All the enviromental regulations make it so expensive to start one of them that a new refinery can't make any profit no matter how high gas prices go. Unless some laws are changed gas prices will never go below $2 again.
<Zmurf> Im not wrong
<^rcane> TimothyW: oh.. i thought you said it was al husseni al tikriti...
<Zmurf> What do you have in that cavern and that secret platform?
<icmps> Zmurf: There are definitely others.. perhaps the US and russia overshadow them, though
<tortus> the russian nukes have been for sale for a decade or more
<|Glitch|> icmps: Once again, that wasn't the primary reason we invaded Iraq. We are at war with international terrorism, remember?
<Timur> China. Syria. Iran. Israel. Algeria. Egypt. UK. France. Brazil. etc etc
<gopp> icmps goverment realtionship
<Zmurf> and what does russia have on their super submarine?
<Disbelief> Glitch - from your own article:
<^rcane> gopp: can we build a refinery in your backyard?
<Disbelief> However, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said the results were from a field test, which can be imperfect, and said more analysis was needed. If confirmed, it would be the first finding of a banned weapon upon which the United States based its case for war
<Timur> South Africa
<Guest58> It was reported today that oil companies made a 9 billion dollar profit in 1 quarter
<gopp> ^rcane well
<Guest58> thats the reason gas prices are high
<icmps> |Glitch|: And of course we have more terrorism now than we did 3 years ago.. another successful government program ;)
<gopp> Guest58 wrong
<gopp> A main reason gas prices are so high is the fact that no one in America has built a new refinery in decades. All the enviromental regulations make it so expensive to start one of them that a new refinery can't make any profit no matter how high gas prices go. Unless some laws are changed gas prices will never go below $2 again.
<DStewart> Rayvyn, you're completely wrong. They did not have the doucments AT ALL when Wilson went to Niger. The US did not even know of their existence.
<CryArvach> Sweet MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)))))))))))))))))))))))
<surlly> Fox news! No reliable sources?
<Zmurf> Who caused most damage to the world throughout history?
<Guest58> true
<`Maryanne> Hi Timmmmmmy :)
<Guest58> gopp...you are brain washed
<bmc> th huns?
<bmc> the*
<Timur> hi
<DStewart> The information of the uranium sale had been sourced from SEVERAL other places BEFORE the documents were even known of.
<bmc> the mongols?
<bmc> romans? heh
<Zmurf> im not brain vashied, im anti partial
<YYZ> Zmurf, undoubtedly the Sovie/Russians
<bmc> wait
<Guest58> http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20051026/ts_latimes/takingaimatoilsriches;_ylt=Aj7B9RxR53X9bGCVnxx7oEaAsnsA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
<CryArvach> welcome to the #politics zoo :)
<YYZ> then Germans
<bmc> the vikings
<YYZ> then Chinese
<bmc> the vikings for sure
<YYZ> then Japan
<Timur> eep eep
<bmc> dude youre talking recent
<TimothyW> `MaryAnne : do I know you ?
<gopp> check this
<Guest58> Gas prices don't need to be that high if a comapny is making 9 billion in 1 quarter
<gopp> out
<surlly> That's it? 1 artillary round?
<YYZ> bmc, recent is much worse than ancient
<gopp> http://ronwade.freeservers.com/DemCry.JPG
<CryArvach> no Timo...she know me :)
<Guest58> http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20051026/ts_latimes/takingaimatoilsriches;_ylt=Aj7B9RxR53X9bGCVnxx7oEaAsnsA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
<Rockfish> Yeah, we're incredible, how about David Kay, is he incredible? "We now have three cases in which scientists have come forward with equipment, technology, diagrams, documents and, in this case, actual weapons material, reference strains and botulinum toxin that they were told to hide and that the U.N. didn't find,"
<bmc> im betting things that happened in the dark ages and medieval times makes the USSR look like kindergarten
<Disbelief> surlly - AND unconfirmed.
<Disbelief> pathetic.
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, But Wilson was told to look into the niger sale and those documents show a niger sale. you can't duck and hide from the truth. you're making things up out of whole cloth.
<Zmurf> USA caused the most damage with that bomb in hiroshima, vietnam, bagdad. What did they destroy? two buildings?
<Timur> what a silly person
<bmc> we didnt wipe out the japanese
<Timur> ah, Norweigian
<tortus> wait, you mean to tell me the un couldn't find somethig?
<icmps> Zmurf: You forgot nagasaki. :P
<Zmurf> im not silly, I know the truth
<bmc> what great damage did we cause?
<DStewart> Rayvyn, am I making things up?
<Timur> there ya go.
<surlly> Rockfish; Spend a few minutes in the high energy weapons archive. You too can have complete plans for a nuke
<bmc> aside from alot of dead japanese
<Timur> no, you really don't.
<DStewart> Rayvyn, did I make this up, in today's Washington Post?
<DStewart> Wilson has also armed his critics by misstating some aspects of the Niger affair. For example, Wilson told The Washington Post anonymously in June 2003 that he had concluded that the intelligence about the Niger uranium was based on forged documents because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong." The Senate intelligence committee, which examined pre-Iraq war intelligence, reported that Wilson "had never seen the CIA reports
<Swigert> if we hadn't dropped the bombs on Japan, that war would have carried on for years at a cost in the millions
<Rebec> hey swiggy
<Swigert> hey rebec
<YYZ> the USA is behind all the major players in WWII, Germans/Russians presided over 40million + deaths
<^rcane> we should have taken over japan
<surlly> Just imagine if you knew something about physics and nuclear chemistry
<Timur> and you're not going to learn it for a while, so in the meantime, you make ignore, congrats. :)
<^rcane> made it like gaum
<DStewart> Rayvyn, did I make that up?
<Rockfish> Surlly, can you have botulinum?
<YYZ> Japan killed millions of Chinese and others
<bmc> ^rcane why? they are allies now
<CryArvach> so ya wanna be intro ed to the crew maryanne??
<^rcane> instead, they are surp***ing us
<^rcane> bmc: lol
<Swigert> then imagine if word got out that Truman had a way to end the war quickly and at a fraction of the cost on both sides, but didn't use it.
<bmc> we built a powerful ally
<^rcane> bmc: for how much longer?
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, There was one other source I heard of and that was from a very unrelaible person with no documents.
<YYZ> the US prolly killed a couple million in WWII, but coulda just as well killed everyone at the end
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