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<fonelap> are you on the 700 club often glitch?
<fonelap> :P
<DStewart> surlly, no, you didn't explicitly say he never had a nuclear program----what you did was piggyback on Disbelief's statement that Saddam didn't have a nuclear program, by insisting that I describe the nuclear program.
<Rockfish> I wish the administration was more concerned about politics. Bush won't defend himself
<bmc> frost puts more thought into one line of one poem than you see in all of poes work :P
<fonelap> you are basically saying 47 percent of the us population are anti american and want the US to fall
<CryArvach> though thats pretty original Rayvyn...
<|Glitch|> fonelap: I'm anti-religious.
<CryArvach> most say..Bush went to war to steal oil
<fonelap> and then 52 percent of the population are just right?
<Disbelief> Rockfish - did you get that URL ?
<surlly> DS: I "insisted"? Wow, I didnt know I could control you so effectively
<DStewart> surlly, a rational person would be justified in inferring that you were joining Disbelief in the claim that Saddam didn't have one. Though you didn't say it explicitly, so that could, indeed, be erroneous.
<Timur> people
<fonelap> even though.. something like... 60 percent of the population now doesnt really support the iraqi war.. so i guess they are all traitors as well...
<Rockfish> fone, no, I'm saying that about 30% of the population is anti american, the other 20-25% that oppose the war have just been duped by an anti Bush media
<Rayvyn> b1ff, But the documents were suspect before Bush used them in the speech. There was no concrete evidence. Bottom line is Bush and his speech writer tried to pin it on british intelligence.
<Disbelief> RockFish - in what way could bush defend himself? he's already contradicted himself, and made a promise he obviously is unwilling to keep.
<CryArvach> lol...
<fonelap> how can you be anti religion and support bush? he makes all his decisions based on his religion
<Rockfish> Dis, what promise is that?
<Timur> do you realize that everything being said, has been said about 1000 times already, on this channel, by the same people, in mostly the same words, for the last 3 years
<bmc> i was in favor of removing saddam
<Disbelief> rayvyn - indeed, cheney reiterated the p***ing the buck trick
<CryArvach> Rayvyn Holds a MS in Conspiracy Science
<bmc> i am also now in favor of a slow withdrawl
<CryArvach> MSCS
<DStewart> Rayvyn, are you going to now peddle your ad hoc explanatory lies to a new target???
<b1ff> Rayvyn - so what? its not illegal to be wrong.
<DStewart> Disbelief, there was no p***ing of the buck.
<tortus> timur: what we need is an election
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, Bush's comments were not based on the Italian forged documents
<DStewart> Bush's words were factual, and accurate.
<Zmurf> tortus, the carbon life will still excist, but with a different orbit and a different temperature within the globe life will change in on the cellulare level. I can understand that top level politics is harder to handl but what is written in documents which is a lower type of politics, since its just based on people and neglect the enviorment as a higher priority.
<Rockfish> Every time you repeat that, you lie, and we know you're lying, that's how pathetic the left is
<Disbelief> Rockfish - bush promised to remove anybody involved in the leaking of the name. now, its KNOWN that a couple peopel were involved in it, yet he hasn't moved to force them to resign.
<CryArvach> DStewrt,,,RayVyn;s argument is several levels deeper than WarForOil
<Timur> tortus: well, maybe, but as far as this channel's concerned, an expansion of topic would be good. :)
<bmc> i want some of whatever Zmurf is on
<DStewart> Disbelief, no, he didn't promise that.
<DStewart> Liar.
<Zmurf> im on logic
<Rockfish> Disbelief, no he didn't, he promised to remove anyone who had broken the law
<CryArvach> bmc...TimothyW hs some
<Rayvyn> Boy that makes me really proud. The CIA had "just learned" of the documents and they didn't take the time to check them out before the president used them in his speech. If that was the case the Bush admin is totally incompetent and can't be trusted with national security
<bmc> it must be some good ****r
<b1ff> Disbelief he never promised that
<|Glitch|> fonelap: Consider that since 09/11/01 7 of the last 9 terrorist/traitors arrested by the FBI in the US have been registered Democrats. (Actually, they all could be registered Democrats, but I don't know that about Jose Pedalli or the trucker they busted from Texas so I didn't include them.)
<sym`> booya!
<bmc> hush
<CryArvach> this Rayvyn Quoth...Albert Gore!
<DStewart> Rayvyn, the president didn't use them in his speech. The claim did not originate in the Italian documents.
<tortus> timur: i see much of the discussion as an atempt to respin what has already happened. and some are intent on holding to the first facts.
<DStewart> Rayvyn, so you're lying again.
<fonelap> im a democrat.. but i have no plans to blow anything up
<bmc> pfff, some democrat you are
<DStewart> Let's review Rayvyn's complete panoply of lies tonight.
<fonelap> haha
<CryArvach> no..you will let Hillary do that
<US-Male> lol
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, You're making things up again.
<DStewart> Turns out the UN knew those documents were forged long before the CIA did. Now how shameful is that, the UN had better intel than the CIA even after they sent someone to look into it. Dstewart, It was all part of the same deal. Bush used them in his speech after numerous people told him the information was suspect. Dstewart, Bush's source for his famous 16-word lie were those documents. Dstewart, Right the CIA knew the yellow cak
<Timur> good lord.
<surlly> Bush never lies. He said he'd cut taxes and cut spending. I think he did the first part, starting two wars, brining about the largest public health care system in history, and annoncing we were going back to the moon might interfere with the second
<CryArvach> Rayvyn is in the gunsights of DStewart!!!
<DStewart> Rayvyn, no, I've pretty conclusively proven you're making **** up.
<Timur> tortus: I don't see 'new spin', so much as 'respin'
<bmc> thats one thing you can say about bush
<Timur> same thing over & over
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, Why did the CIA send Wilson to Niger?
<CryArvach> Yimur...deep spin
<US-Male> DSTEWART IS MAKING THINGS UP
<bmc> he does what he said hes going to do, or at least attempts to
<Timur> deep?
<US-Male> =)
<L0c0> largest public health care system in history?
<Timur> hardly
<|Glitch|> fonelap: Plus there is the fact that Democrats have been obstructing the war against terrorism since it began and one can only logically conclude that they are terrorist sympathizers.
<US-Male> "due"
<Zmurf> 2nd level politics, the smart people of the world have no power, but those who have lethal force; terrorists , allied forces and religion have unfortunatly power.
<DStewart> Rayvyn, to investigate the intel that said that Iraq had sought to acquire yellowcake uranium from Niger.
<jhicks> US-Male: DStewart does NOT lie!
<fonelap> ALL democrats?
<DStewart> Rayvyn, want to argue that?
<tortus> timur: what i see is a back at you for the clinton attacks. and that is not getting much traction, cept from political newbies who were not following along at the time
<surlly> Im not sure which I like better DS. "Making **** up" or " ad hoc explanatory lies"
<sym`> Bush lied people died!
<sym`> pffft
<CryArvach> deliberate tpyo....
<|Glitch|> fonelap: "If the shoe fits..."
<Rayvyn> Dstewart, Correct and that information came from those documents. Can you cite any other source for the sale?
<Timur> boring..
<sym`> Ew
<jhicks> Damn, I need some tabasco sauce. Halloween is almost here!
<fonelap> well.. if opposing imprisoning people without evidence is obstruction call me obstructionist!
<|Glitch|> jhicks: LOL!
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, read this: Both the US and British investigations make clear that some forged Italian documents, exposed as fakes soon after Bush spoke, were not the basis for the British intelligence Bush cited, or the CIA's conclusion that Iraq was trying to get uranium.
<jhicks> "child repellent"
<CryArvach> **squawkkk!
<fonelap> personally i was excited about us going into afghanistan glitch
<Disbelief> DStewart, Rockfish, deniers et al: http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/18/cia.leak/
<Rockfish> Source: http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html
<surlly> This new ADA on "Law and Order" looks like Elvira
<tortus> rutebaggas?
<CryArvach> jhickupster!!! :)
<|Glitch|> jhicks: Tobasco sauce and krazy glue. Hmmmmmmmmm..... that gives me a few ideas. :)
<DStewart> Rayvyn, it didn't come from the forged documents.
<sym`> fonelap: Like, hardon excited?
<jhicks> heya Cry
<fonelap> i was actually saying we should go after the taliban a long time before 9/11
<sym`> fonelap: Or favorite TV show excited>
<DStewart> On October 15, 2001, the CIA received a report from a foreign government service that the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein had struck a deal with the government of Niger to purchase several tons of partially processed uranium.
<sym`> ?
<jhicks> fonelap: I'm pissed at the taleban too
<|Glitch|> fonelap: Afghanistan was only the beginning.
<tortus> hey!
<CryArvach> jhicks...Talibastards
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, you going to respond to what I posted?
<fonelap> and thats the kinda reasoning that scares me glitch
<jhicks> fonelap: I haven't had any good afghani hash in YEARS
<CryArvach> don't worry...it was a hard shell tortus
<DStewart> Rayvyn, that foreign government service was the British.
<b1ff> wilsons wife was the very one involved in missing the boat on iraqs wmd's - she worked in wmd proliferation
<DStewart> Several months later came a second report, dated February 5, 2002, also from a "foreign government service." It contained more details of the alleged transaction. An official from the CIA's directorate of operations said that the new information came from "a very credible source," and some of the reporting seemed to corroborate earlier accounts of meetings between Nigerien officials and Iraqis.
<fonelap> you are basically saying we are going to have to be the worlds police from here on out
<jhicks> friggin taleban bastages
<fonelap> and that obviously since we are the police we will bend everything to be what benefits us the most
<CryArvach> talihostages lol
<fonelap> which will just piss people off at us more
<sym`> The word "taliban" gives fonelap an erection
<sym`> Hehe
<fonelap> which will FORCE us to take more action
<CryArvach> jhicjs...send them some scrapie sheep!!!
<Rayvyn> All I hear are unamed sources. However i guess it's just by change that the information from the Brits and Italians is exactlly what was contained in the forged documents
<Rebec> sym and makes me run awya
<DStewart> After hearing this several times, CIA Counterproliferation decided they wanted to know where it came from.
<jhicks> CryArvach: I already did
<Rockfish> Rayvyn, read this: Both the US and British investigations make clear that some forged Italian documents, exposed as fakes soon after Bush spoke, were not the basis for the British intelligence Bush cited, or the CIA's conclusion that Iraq was trying to get uranium.
<fonelap> which will piss more people off... which we will have to stop!
<tortus> i remember when the feminists petitioned about the treatment of women under the taliban. back in the early 90s
<Rebec> lol
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