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<DeDannan> Rebec, well..I'd think that the papers with the largest circulations in the country might be a good place to start :)
<Timur> Dis: right, because they also ran Friedman's piece, and many others, supporting the war
<DarthBurg> bmc, some things can not be timed, war casulties are one of them
<Rebec> DeDannan I agree
<Timur> hence, one article does not bias make
<bmc> DarthBurg verification can be
<Katey> Basically it just appears to me that some people are unhappy that the press focuses at all on the troop deaths reaching 2000
<Pickle> Disbelief: Quoting one anomalous example doesn't prove your point, when there are a large number of contrary examples.
<Rebec> I should stop by my former prof's office and pick up the paper
<DarthBurg> Katey, and of course, you would be wrong
<Disbelief> Pickle - i think you're in the group that hans identified earlier. i know this a tough time for you. your champion is falling on the battlefield. instead of getting a second wind, bush has had the wind knocked out of him. Yeah his programs are indefinitely stalled. Sure, SS overhaul is comatose, and the tax cuts are looking harder to sell. I understand your frustration.
<Katey> And that any attention to anything that might be considered "negative" with regard to the effort in Iraq will be chalked up to media bias
<DarthBurg> the major complaint is the lack of coverage over the Iraq Constitution
<RustyFord> hehehe liberals see the success of p***ing the Iraqi constitution as a grim milestone
<Pickle> Katey: Basically it seems that way... To the people with the same ideological agenda as the media that is ignoring truly significant milestones in Iraq.
<Disbelief> If the guy i championed as the savior of the free world were screwing up this badly, i'd be at my wit's end too.
<Glock21> hahaha... Pickle's champion is Bush?
<Katey> DarthBurg, but it was just pointed out to you that the major papers carried the constitution story on the front page
<Pickle> Glock21: Yeah, I just love Bush.
<DarthBurg> we are well aware of the negative things happening in Iraq, it is just a shame we have to turn to Military Blogs to find the good news./
<Glock21> You make a strange canadian libertarian then.
<Pickle> After all, I hate leftwing media bias. That means I love Bush.
<Glock21> :P
<Katey> Well, Pickle, I guess that wouldn't be the press, since they're carrying the story front page.
<DarthBurg> Katey, it was not on my papers front page
<Disbelief> Pickle - which of bush's policies and decisions are you against, exactly ?
<Airbuster> I knew the the press had been drooling for the #2k ever since they started showing the 1900+ tally of deal almost every day. It really seemed to me that they were doing that to encourage the terrorists
<Timur> Katey: what's sad is that there was so much lack of comprehension of the critics of the war so consistently and from all quarters (domestic and foreign) that to expect anything but defensiveness on the part of the admin would seem naive.
<Airbuster> giving them a mark to shoot for
<Katey> DarthBurg, so write a letter to the editor
<JanetB> well, thats 28K less than the media reported would happen in the forst week of the war, isn't that fantastic, that they have been able to keep the death so low, we all with not even that many deaths had happened, of course, but wow, better than the 30K that was predicted
<RustyFord> Pickle you voted for Bush in both elections didn't you? ;)
<Timur> *by the critics of the war for its necessity
<DarthBurg> Katey, I got the ditor on speed dial, and he knows me by name
<DarthBurg> Katey any thing else you would like to lie about?
<DarthBurg> sorry
<DarthBurg> not lie
<Disbelief> Why is it that you guys are in such fear of the press, exactly ?
<Pickle> Disbelief: You'd be better served asking which ones I favour. At the moment I'm hard pressed to think of one, although I suppose his semi-embrace of supply side qualifies as an example.
<Katey> Timur, I know you disagree with those that are opposed to the war. But I think it's unfair to ***ume that the critics lacked comprehension
<Katey> DarthBurg....
<Katey> not lie?
<Disbelief> pickle - well miers for example. yea or nay ?
<Katey> what then?
<DarthBurg> Katey, i should have said, anything else helpful you care to add?
<Carious> Our front page had a football coach saying "blacks run faster than whites"
<Airbuster> well, I was mainly talking about those ghouls over at CNN
<Katey> DarthBurg, no, I figure you've got the matter well in hand
<Glock21> I'd have to give a big nay on miers personally... waiting to hear her confirmation hearings though.
<bmc> Carious its a fact
<DarthBurg> Katey, thank you.
<Glock21> Doubt they'll change my mind.
<Airbuster> well, most places besides FNC, anyway
<Carious> bmc-perhaps, but as a coach you can not say it
<Timur> Katey: It's not an ***umption, in many, even most cases
<tnzr> who would give miers a "yay"?
<Pickle> Disbelief: That said, this isn't a tough time for Republicans. They control the House, Senate, and White House, and are about to add the Supreme Court to the list. The media-manufactured "scandals" aside, the Democrats are on the verge of extinction.
<Timur> it's an observation
<Katey> Timur, well, I don't agree with that
<tnzr> srsly
<Disbelief> glock - hah that's ***uming she'll get that far.
<JanetB> miers.. no? we have not heard the hearings yet, how can we judge :)
<DarthBurg> montana has a democrat govnor, the love pieces on that guy make me sick. this from the people who brought us "Our govenor is dumber than your govenor" when we had a republican
<Katey> Timur, I think that your bias is affecting your view of the critics. :)
<Airbuster> the people who run CNN are some _cold_ SOBs
<Timur> I know you don't, but I don't credit most critics of the legitimacy of the war with understanding the Middle East specifically, or foreign policy generally.
<Katey> Timur, I know. You're dismissive
<Timur> the Middle East is a macho culture in which kindness is *always* taken for weakness.
<Rebec> Timur I think that's true
<Airbuster> Timur, psycho-culture, more like it
<Disbelief> Pickle - "media-manufactured" ? PLEASE. that's just totally crap. the Media didn't make Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Bill Frist, Tom DeLay, and Jack Abramoff violate the law.
<jhicks> ok, the "Wall of Sound" is now configured
<Pickle> Disbelief: I have no idea who Miers is or whether she'd be good in SCOTUS. I do know that most of the arguments against her thus far don't seem to stand up to logic.
<DarthBurg> Disbelief How about Prime time television shows like west wing, or commander in chief, no bias there? pure entertainment?
<Timur> I'm dismissive of those who refuse to understand a culture upon which we are largely dependent, with which we are increasingly involved, and which is increasingly involved with us, true
<bmc> Disbelief none of them have been convicted of a crime
<hans_kung> West Wing is a great show...you don't like it?
<Disbelief> darthburg - those are "fiction" ya know
<Glock21> I could care less that she was never a judge. I do however care that she doesn't appear to have much knowledge or experience with Constitutional Law.
<Disbelief> they're not "news"
<Timur> that's why I'm dismissive of some.
<Glock21> She makes me very nervous.
<DarthBurg> Disbelief you do not know if any of those people violated the law, you think they did, thanks to Underhanded media tactics against republicans.
<Katey> Timur, I think there's a pretty broad spectrum of views from the critics
<Disbelief> its NOT TRUE. its a "show"
<Disbelief> you know. its make-believe.
<Katey> Timur, Some are obviously simplistic and stupid
<jhicks> Glock21: Harriet Miers will be IDEAL!
<Katey> Timur, and others are not
<jhicks> (for dismantling the constitution)
<DarthBurg> Disbelief yes its a show, so we just ignore the message yes? its not actually being watched by people yes?
<Katey> Timur, Just as the same can be said for supporters
<hans_kung> It's one of the more beautifully shot TV shows, I think.
<DarthBurg> since its fiction and all
<DStewart> Disbelief's tossed in the towel on fact and logic, and is now stuck in psychologizing.
<JanetB> did anyone hear the attorney who wrote the law.. in the secrecy of CIA agent's on the radio today, say NO law was violated
<tweek> ****. that radical nut that planned to protest a soldier's very life ... at his funeral ... at my town ... never showed.
<Pickle> Disbelief: No, they didn't make that up. They did inflate those minor issues to major scandals. Or tied to, anyway. Thus far it appears that their efforts to topple the Republicans from power have failed miserably, and will continue to do so in the future. Which gives me hope that the leftmedia's monopoly may indeed have been broken by alternative news sources.
<Timur> Katey: indeed. The most simplistic and stupid ones seem to ***ume that we can treat other countries as if they're all little Americas, with notions of civil society, with tolerance and respect for individual rights.
<DStewart> And parroting lies.
<Carious> Phelps?
<jhicks> JanetB: perjury counts
<tweek> yeah, Phelps.
<Disbelief> darthburg - hey, if conservatives are creative enough to produce a show that depicts a conservative president leading the country on a nobel and righteous crusade for freedom, let em! it'l be a GREAT show.
<DStewart> Frist broke what law?
<DStewart> Rove broke what law?
<tweek> hope he was shot on the way out.
<DStewart> Delay broke what law?
<JanetB> jhicks... well that is yet to be proven :)
<DStewart> Liby broke what law?
<tnzr> http://www.numair.com/2005/10/indian-techie-flamewar.html
<tweek> I was more than willing to run over his *** :)
<Timur> when such is so obviously not the case, and for very important reasons which are dangerous and stupid to ignroe.
<Carious> Phelps is one sick mfer
<jhicks> JanetB: we'll see :)
<Timur> *ignore
<DarthBurg> Disbelief but you see, it never gets past the editors. Rush Limbagh had to go to AM Radio
<Katey> Timur, wait...I thought that was what administration policy was all about. :) Aren't we trying to establish that very thing in Iraq?
<DStewart> By available evidence---rather than lefty hopes---none of these guys broke any law.
<DStewart> And Abramoff---uh, he's nothing relevant.
<tweek> apparently I can't find any news articles on his dumb self so I'm ***uming he chickened out and no one but me even sorta noticed
<Disbelief> DarthBurg - that's cuz rush is a firebrand blithering idiot.
<JanetB> but there should never have been an investigation at all according to the attorney authored the law :)
<jhicks> JanetB: prosecutors typically end an investigation early when there is no basis
<hans_kung> Hmm. Fitzy makes those decisions. Not leftys, not rightys, not innies, nor outties.
<DStewart> Ah, another characterization in lieu of fact and reason.
<Disbelief> rush had his chance in primetime network tv. he blew it!
<DarthBurg> Disbelief who draws fifteen million listeners a day, and is admittedly right of center. which is why you have to call him names
<jhicks> JanetB: It's ok if they ****ered you, we still like you.
<jhicks> hehe
<JanetB> jhicks, who ****ered me?
<tweek> DarthBurg: congrats. you're the first one I've seen in the channel to defend Rush.
<jhicks> JanetB: all those steenkin politicians
<DarthBurg> Rush blew TV? right, yes his show was cancelled? no, actually it was not. but hey, live in your fantasy world bub
<nomazda> BREAKING NEWS
<nomazda> A jury has ruled that the Port Authority was negligent in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
<jhicks> They're all the same
<nomazda> hah
<nomazda> wtf
<DStewart> Darth, 20 million, but who's counting? :)
<JanetB> jhicks.. and how might they have done that?
<DarthBurg> DStewart yeah well, I always hedge lower.
<Disbelief> darthburg - no. i actually praise him for admitting what he is and where his ideology is, unlike Bill O'reilly for instnace, who mascarades as a centrist populist tranditionalist middle-america kinda guy, which he is not.
<jhicks> JanetB: by pretending to be decent
<Airbuster> the Iraqi constitution was conclusively approved yesterday, btw, and it's a very good one considering the others in the region, aside from Israel
<DStewart> nomazda, how? Not making the building completely bombproof?
<JanetB> jhicks.. I think those we have in the white house, are decent :)
<nomazda> DStewart no clue. was on ny news..
<nomazda> what a silly win
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