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<madsage> well i dont know about you, but something inside of me says two men ****ing eachothers cock is wrong.
<pqdb> who cares?
<pqdb> a true conservative doesn't care!
<mykl> yeah
<DarthBurg> really?
<mykl> what adults do, is their biz
<Brak55> madsage: How does it hurt you if they want to do that in the privacy of their own home?
<pqdb> yeah, what IS a conservative?
<pqdb> isnt' a conservative oen who wants a small govt which doesn't infronge on their rights?
<pqdb> or is a conservative some bible baptist?
<mykl> back in the day
<pqdb> or a mormon?
<pqdb> I meanm give us a break ppl!
<mykl> well, the christian right wants more control, they just will not say it
<madsage> well i its repulsive to think about. and to allow this activity to become an acceptible lifestyle is wrong. more less defiling our sanctity of marriagie with it, and teach it in our public schools.
<pqdb> madsage then don't think about it
<pqdb> get oevr ity
<mykl> I am religious, but alot of these freaks gotta go
<trompe> DarthBurg: so? the point is that no critical m*** of liberals having abortions changes the fact that conservatives also have abortions, so it is foolish for conservatives to sit around and say "there are 3 million babies aborted each year, but that is ok with liberals" as a pejorative statement
<mykl> teach it in public schools..omg..I never had a teacher ask "so u wanna learn about two boys having *** today?"
<whitecaps> madsage, I think what you type is repulsive
<madsage> pqdb, how can you not think about it when they parade thier **** doen the public streets and push it on our children in schools?
<Brak55> madsage: That's nice. Conservatives SAY they want less government, yet they want to control what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home which has nothing to do with them. Hypocrites!
<whitecaps> maybe you should be illegal
<pqdb> I am yet to see that parade.
<pqdb> I live in South Carolina
<pqdb> sorry
<pqdb> oh my wife is a teacher
<madsage> then your lucky, give it time
<pqdb> there's no queer day
<pqdb> well I mean, whose propaganda are you buying here?
<trompe> mykl: why should any subject matter be barred from schools?
<DarthBurg> trompe nonsense, it is prefetly within the bounds of logic and reason to point out the majority on the left, WANT abortions, while clearly the majority on the right does not. pointing out such FACTS bothers some people, but reality just won't budge
<madsage> i live in arizona, and they have had these gay pride parades in Phoenix, in a very conservative state
<pqdb> who cares?
<Brak55> madsage: How can you not think about it when uber christians parade their **** down the public streets and push it on our children in schools? Live and let live and quit pushing your beliefs on others when they are not a danger to you.
<pqdb> it's their freesom of speech
<ChaosMage> gays are conservative
<mykl> Arizona is not that conservative
<ChaosMage> they want to conserve their gayness
<pqdb> are they second cl*** because you don't like them?
<mykl> economically yes,
<madsage> we are a red state
<mykl> mesa, yes..but most who are right just want low taxes
<ChaosMage> not every conservative is a bible thumper
<DarthBurg> we had prayer in schools, were we a theocracy? nope.
<pqdb> wow ChaosMage in Gville too
<ChaosMage> and the only part of conservatives that don't like gays are the bible thumpers
<madsage> barry goldwater and mccain is/was from here
<ChaosMage> crap they're onto me
<mykl> mccain is kinda liberal
<ChaosMage> here's a test
<madsage> i dont think so
<ChaosMage> What do you think of Bob Jones?
<mykl> I liked goldwater
<pqdb> legalistic?
<Brak55> Chaos: He makes good sausage :)
<mykl> I like Mccain cuz he told the religious right to screw off
<mykl> that took balls
<pqdb> BJ Is their own little microcosm
<pqdb> it's their right eh
<trompe> DarthBurg: saying that you support someone's right to an abortion isn't the same as wanting an extra abortion, or an extra 3 million abortions... I think many abortion rights advocates wished that there were fewer abortions, but not as a consequence of more unwanted pregnancies carried to term
<mykl> unfortunately it ruined any chances of him running
<pqdb> I notice BJ likes fences
<toecutter> MCCain, is independent, he voted for bush but will always vote it as he sees it.
<trompe> ah, that's great... Darthburg takes a generic swipe at half the population, then leaves like a ****ing coward
<Brak55> toecutter: Good for him. That's what all Americans should do.
<pqdb> what do YOU think of BJU?
<madsage> pq, i dont know much about it
<ChaosMage> apparently I know someone that caused a BJ patrol car to get totaled
<ChaosMage> oh I hates 'em
<pqdb> well I kow this.. BJU Is why maniacs liek Mike Fair keep gettign elected
<toecutter> Brak55: I real man will vote on an issue by issue basis, and will throw his own father in jail if he breaks a law.
<pqdb> our neighbors are Jonesers
<pqdb> they're cool, actually
<ChaosMage> I go downtown on the weekends
<ChaosMage> it used to be better
<pqdb> I've only been here a year
<pqdb> we moved from Atl
<pqdb> which ****s
<madsage> we have a large mormon population in Arizona
<mykl> well that may change
<pqdb> the LDS chuirch is a cult
<madsage> that controlls a few districts
<madsage> they are good people
<Brak55> toecutter: Can't disagree with that.
<pqdb> cult just the same
<mykl> Arizona is changing
<mykl> yea its a cult
<mykl> I know a few of my friends quit that religion
<mykl> I go to a non demoninational church, its easier that way
<madsage> well i'm lutheran, but i dont see them doing anything negative, if you weed out the fundimentalists in colorado city, which is a very small sect
<pqdb> madsage: read the book of mormon
<madsage> polygamysts
<madsage> does that make them bad?
<pqdb> well yeah
<mykl> true..but the problem is they do not realize that not everyone follows their way
<madsage> the book of mormon
<pqdb> if you accept the bible it's very bad
<mykl> and second..the idea someone just saw Jesus like that..well he was smoking something
<mykl> South Park did an episode about it..its funny
<madsage> they have differnt christian beliefs
<pqdb> the really funny thing is that episode of southpark was more or less accurate
<madsage> and last i looked at the constitution that was ok.
<mykl> yeah
<pqdb> madsage: when it comes to christian issues, the constitution is irrelevant
<mykl> exactly
<pqdb> that's the problem
<pqdb> why would you let your govt reule yoru religioun or vice versa?
<mykl> its a belief...people have the right, but they have no right to force it
<mykl> with laws and so on
<madsage> i know what your saying, but whatever floats thier boat i guess, i find it silly you think homo***uality is fine, but not mormanism? heh
<pqdb> you'd have the govt say who can **** who in the bedroom, then say "freedom of religion" is to have a cult? whichi s more offensive?
<mykl> plus the bible has been interpreted so many times, some stuff added
<mykl> i do with the cult
<mykl> do = go
<pqdb> I never said hom***uality is fine
<madsage> nothing in the govt bans homos from having *** in thier beedrooms
<TimothyW-> You don't see mormons have homo***ual polyagmy do you ?
<pqdb> I said it's a great topic to go rally up some mindless voters
<mykl> he said homos
<mykl> hah
<Glock21> Well the sticky point to religion and the Constitution: Just because something *can* be religious (thou shalt not kill, for example) doesn't mean it is prohibited from being law.
<pqdb> Glock21: of course overlap is inevitable
<mykl> Well, i know mormons are known to come outta the closet
<mykl> Glock: true
<madsage> ok well, yuo said "who cares" that is p***ive, to me that means its fine with you
<pqdb> I find it interesting I was accused of condonign ***uality
<TimothyW-> mykl : where you ever a IRC Operator somewhere ?
<pqdb> I only said a true "conservive" doesn't care about who screws who as long as they are consentng adults.
<mykl> yes
<pqdb> meanwhile I hear "righties" talkabotu a constituional amandment about marriage
<pqdb> go figure?
<TimothyW-> mykl : where ?
<mykl> I have an idea of this anti gay stuff
<Glock21> So when a religious group pushes for anti-abortion laws it doesn't make anti-abortion laws necessarily forcing religion down people's throats, just as outlawing murder doesn't.
<madsage> ok, was somebody else then, i appologize
<Glock21> You can be anti-abortion and an atheist with little conflict.
<pqdb> it's real simple. if we make any non-criminal demographic second cl***, then we open the door to making anyone second cl***
<mykl> I tried being atheist, but I believe some higher being created this universe
<madsage> well i'm prolife, but i think making abortion illegal would be have adverse consequences too
<madsage> thats a tough one
<pqdb> the issue isn't even the issue. in politics all one has to do is mention "abortion" and there is instant polarity
<madsage> mykl, thats because you are intelligent
<Glock21> madsage... you aren't alone... most people favor at least some legal abortions and most people favor at least some restrictions.
<pqdb> but the topic is way too complex to be "yay or nay"
<Glock21> Drawing the line where is the sticking point there.
<Glock21> Especially when the real radicals want all or nothing.
<pqdb> abortion has become too hot because it draws out the wackos. so "gay marriage" is the next hot topic to bring out mindless gr*** roots votes for non-issues
<mykl> I mean abortion will not really be used, more people are educated..teens should know bettr
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