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<Linus-> bush dismissing opponents saying we would have us tiptoe out of iraq is the real crap
<Lotec> Linus, that sounds pretty close to what I heard you saying here yesterday
<Linus-> snickering at and dismissing half the country is no way for a president to conduct a war
<Linus-> lot, that's just a flat out lie
<Lotec> Linus, it ain't "half the country" though
<Linus-> yeah, its more than half now
<Linus-> 53%
<Lotec> 53% may want the war run differently. Some of those want to hammer the other side a lot harder
<Lotec> polls are misleading
<Linus-> the question was, was the war worth it
<Linus-> 53% in latest poll no say no
<Linus-> now
<Lotec> Is any war ever "worth it?" We'd prefer not to lose any soldiers at all. I would have to say that myself. Did we have a better choice? No
<Linus-> the point is, the president should not be scoffing at fellow americans; this country is built on a wide range of viewpoints
<Linus-> we aren't the french fer crissakes
<Lotec> The CinC doesn't lead from a "wide range of viewpoints"
<rond> I don't see the president scoffing at anyone
<Linus-> his choice of terms is insulting
<YYZ> Bush never reacts to anything
<rond> but then I don't try to decipher whats in the presidents mind by looking at "The TV"
<YYZ> but still catches criticism for doing so
<Linus-> "tiptoe" making us sound like wimps, dainty, nmancy pants
<Lotec> Ahhh, the French. Their new battle-flag is a white star on a white field. You want us to be more like them?
<Linus-> Lotec, huh?
<Linus-> wtf are you on about now
<Lotec> You brought up the Frogs
<YYZ> I loved the seinor citizen anti war march in NYC ahaha
<Linus-> "we" being those who disagree with this admin's war "plan," are not the french, who this admin routinely scoffed at
<Linus-> dismissing another country is one thing, i.e.
<Lotec> Linus, it wasn't you here yesterday saying we should pack up and get out of Iraq asap?
<Linus-> ive never said that
<Lotec> I asked you if you'd ever had to stand up to a bully
<Lotec> remember?
<Linus-> i may have stated at some point that compared to the way bush/rumsfeld are cnducting the war, tanythig would be a better option, including that
<Lotec> ahhhhh
<Linus-> but ive clearly stated we should just cut n run, that we should pull back to regional bases first, and then gradually start the process
<Linus-> shouldnt
<Linus-> argh!
<Linus-> ha
<Lotec> freudian slip
<Linus-> you're predictable if nothing
<Lotec> thankyou. Consistency is important
<Lotec> Sure, we all make typos. Sorry
<Linus-> i lay claim to it and dub it the linus contraction error
<Linus-> i just **** at typing
<Lotec> If I'd done it, you'd never have taken advantage, even temporarily
<Lotec> sure
<Linus-> plus its not uncommon when one phrase is immeidaitely followed by a contrasting phrase to make that error
<Linus-> couldnt, could etc
<Linus-> hadnt had
<Lotec> Hey, I apologized. Don't be so defensive
<Linus-> I'm not
<Linus-> I'm being introspective
<Linus-> and your mock apology was noted :)
<Lotec> Not mock. I aknowledged it was a typo
<Linus-> "sure" it was, i understand!
<Lotec> get over it
<Linus-> sure thing
<Linus-> hehe
<Kocur_> good grief
<Linus-> take the lime and the coconut and drink it all up
<Lotec> I'm gonna go now. Take your blood pressure meds
<CryArvach> Then Linus gets ****faced....
<Linus-> Kocur_, he's in his last throes
<CryArvach> then Linus piles into his SUV.....
<Linus-> i have toilet paper
<Linus-> yeah right!
<Linus-> id be the last person on earth to own one of those beasts
<CryArvach> as he sings.....let me tell you a tlae 'bout the bankers..push you too the frickin edge...
<Linus-> unless i lived in manitoba
<Linus-> and played the tuba
<Linus-> which wouldnt fit in the trunk of my subcompact you see
<CryArvach> well Linus..when the 10.0 richter hits Cali..you might wish you had one
<Linus-> yeah, that's a reason to buy one1
<Linus-> fear factor!
<CryArvach> Linus would tie the Tuba at such an angle on his sub compact..it would sound off down the road
<Linus-> tuba fish
<Linus-> too bad CryArvach's mom didn't have her tubas tied
<Linus-> pre-nave care ;)
<CryArvach> funny Linus..but Catholics did not do those sorts of things then
<CryArvach> too bad yours couldn't stay out of Compton
<mangelo> hi.
<Linus-> catholics still being in the dark ages on birth control matters, that's understandable
<mangelo> meirs withdraws
<Linus-> no she didn't
<mangelo> yes she did,
<mangelo> just announced
<Linus-> golda meirs? ;)
<mangelo> harriet meirs just withdrew her nomination for supreme court
<Linus-> wow
<Linus-> the vangelistas win
<Linus-> this is bad news for moderates
<Linus-> though it was a lame choice, i fear the next nominee now
<CryArvach> Miers withdraws...
<CryArvach> YEARGHHHHH!!!!!!
<Linus-> sheez, has she aged in last few weeks
<Linus-> poor lady
<CryArvach> thou shalt not try to appoint manchurian SCOTUS!!!
<mangelo> yah. this could be a case of the devil you know typr of thing
<Linus-> bush has been weakened from within
<CryArvach> nope
<rond> This could have been the plan all along
<mangelo> ,aybe
<CryArvach> Linus is connected to TomM--'s Hookah
<Linus-> you must be blind
<rond> through something out the Left would have a hard time with
<mangelo> maybe
<CryArvach> this was the plan regarding Bork
<Linus-> just put his close ***ociate through hell and back?
<rond> now really through something out the left will have a hard time with in a completely different way
<CryArvach> not just the left...the right as well
<Linus-> as the plan?
<Linus-> wtf?
<mangelo> although i do not think bush would stoop so low as to put a good friend of his through all this
<CryArvach> and a lot of John Q's
<Linus-> mangelo, no kidding
<CryArvach> mangelo...no such thing as friends in politics
<mangelo> although maybe rove pulled another over on bush
<CryArvach> miers was a poker chip
<Linus-> amazing that i would give the president more benefit of the doubt than his supporters
<Linus-> you folks are heartless
<mangelo> heh
<Linus-> ok, i'll bite
<CryArvach> never ever putta control...
<Linus-> what would be the objective of such a plan?
<rond> to soften the field for the real right winger appointee
<Linus-> how will this benefit the pres?
<CryArvach> to bring up another nominee...that may have been original first choice
<Linus-> how would it do that?
<CryArvach> he gets who he originally wanted in first place
<Linus-> it didn't soften any dems
<CryArvach> well..I gotta go to work...
<CryArvach> Linus...lay off Hookah
<rond> the dems really did not know what to do with Miers
<rond> they didn't complaign too much
<Linus-> and why would nominating her first make a more hard core nominee more palatable?
<rond> and what they did complaign about didn't amount to much
<mangelo> this withdrawl was not so much about meirs as what it about circling the wagons to try to protect bush from losing credibitly and power
<Linus-> CryArvach, try debating
<Linus-> rond, yes so?
<rond> Now here comes the real hard ball
<rond> right down the pipe
<Linus-> how would it ease the way for a more controversial nominee?
<rond> You guys should have worked to get miers
<Linus-> I'm asking in all sincerity
<rond> Now you will have to work hard to stop the next pitch
<rond> real hard
<rond> just guessing
<rond> I have no insight
<Linus-> i really don't see bush as one to backpeddle publicly
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