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<Linus-> i really don't see bush as one to backpeddle publicly
<Linus-> this isn't his MO
<rond> The only insite I have if any is a deep reading of history and how different admins have done all sorts of things to get what they ultimately wanted
<rond> Reading about truman and how he worked things during the beginning of the Korean war
<Linus-> but bush has never suffered any setback, not one that he couldnt circumvent anyway
<Linus-> so setting himself up purposely for a public setback seems an odd tack
<rond> I don't think this is much of a setback
<rond> just a new approach happens all the time in big enterprises
<Linus-> it does, on its face, seem like bowing to the religious right
<rond> Maybe it was her that resigned on her own
<rond> had nothing to do with Bush
<Linus-> I'm sure it was
<rond> who knows
<Linus-> bush expects loyalty, and reciprocates
<rond> and I admire that
<Linus-> that's why i don't think he would plan on dragging her to hell and back
<rond> Like I said it was just a guess adding wild *** would not offend me
<Linus-> its admirable
<Linus-> but it sometimes leads to lack of broad consideration of ciandidates for key posts
<rond> Come on Linus how hard is it for you guys in your school to come up with some decisions
<Linus-> its a tightrope walk between rewarding loyalty and perception of chronyism
<rond> trying to make choices in front of 150 mil voting adults has to be *n more difficult
<Linus-> rond, I'm not sure i see your point
<rond> I am speaking to your consideration comment
<rond> There were a lot of considerations on this
<rond> it just did not work out
<rond> simple as that to me
<Linus-> well, failing to look outside your circle of loyalists can be a fault
<rond> Linus I think its public record something like 70 senators were consulted
<Linus-> doesnt have to be, but wasn't that what even those on the right have complained about?
<rond> and as far as I understand even dems were part of that group
<Linus-> consulted about the short list if i recall correctly
<Linus-> not the final choice i don't think 70 were in the know
<rond> thats how I understood it 70 were consulted on her
<Linus-> brownback wasn't one of them then, judging by his response
<YYZ> here's a heart-warming story: http://networks.org/?src=fox:0,2933,173662,00
<Linus-> i fear brown being nominated now
<Linus-> a woman for a woman
<YYZ> I love the vp's comments "we gave her plenty of time to get back to work"
<rond> I am not worried things will move forward, I have had a good life under the prev admins and I trust it will be the same moving forward
<gopp> miers is not
<Linus-> miers lack of constituional law experience was a real problem it seems
<gopp> miers droped
<Linus-> she ran a company that dealts with business law
<gopp> no it don't seem
<Linus-> -s
<gopp> but
<gopp> she decied she didn't want the lime light
<Linus-> lime?
<Lupine> Hopefully Ashcroft will now be nominated. He's the one I want to see on the SC
<Linus-> harsh light
<gopp> but yes
<Linus-> yeah right!
<Linus-> ashcroft!
<gopp> I would say she was not te right person
<gopp> Linus- who do you want for sc
<Linus-> likel noone this president would nominate
<gopp> that a big bias
<gopp> that type of judgement
<Lupine> Linus: he is hte only significant person in washington who upholds the 2nd amendment. Which is a major failing in our current system
<gopp> can't be trusted
<Linus-> saying "likely?"
<DeDannan> I'd like to see Estes Kefauver nominated..
<Linus-> gee, so I'm lean left
<gopp> like none
<Linus-> that's my bias
<Linus-> should i apologize?
<gopp> even democarts supported roberts
<gopp> it not about left
<Lupine> Linus: apologize for your ignorance? doubtful it'll do any good
<Linus-> Lupine, a sc justice shouldnt be considered for one issue
<Linus-> take your ad homs elsewhere
<Linus-> i haven't attacked you
<Lupine> linus: yes/no. if half of the democrats can have a "litmus test" for abortion.. why can I not have mine? In my case, it is a major *gap* in the SC and washington
<Lupine> eh? that wasn't an ad hominem
<Lupine> you are ignorant, ergo your statement is wrong. that would be an ad hom
<Linus-> the litmus test on abortion is whether it is "settled law"
<Linus-> pushing a nominee for a one item agenda is clearly different
<Lupine> linus: okay.. is the 2nd amendment a full right, that applies to individuals and that states/cities can not crap on it.. is that "settled law"
<Lupine> well, I see it no different than a litmus test of "does the judge support slavery"
<Lupine> or any other monumental right
<Linus-> Lupine, considering congress keeps toying with it, apparently not
<Lupine> but hey, many americans think they can pick and choose what parts of the constitution should apply
<Lupine> eh? congress and states keep toying with abortion. In fact, RvW is all but overturned ( in effect )..
<Linus-> but no nominee would fly based on one issue
<gopp> i would a hispanic
<gopp> a cuban hispanic
<gopp> run for Sc
<gopp> so we can piss of fidel
<Lupine> gopp: heh, that would be great :-)
<DeDannan> bah, Fidel's irrelevant..
<Lupine> Ft Lauderdale airport is up and running again
<DeDannan> an old man who's time has long since p***ed
<Linus-> nothing has breached a womans right to choose; mostly who should fund it; at what age; parental right to know; late term abortions
<gopp> the media is bashing gov
<gopp> bush
<Lupine> linus: RvW put severe limitations on abortions. Those have all been overturned
<Lupine> gopp: local media here in south florida are pressing full court on blaming "W" and "jeb" bush
<gopp> they gave fair warning
<gopp> two or three
<gopp> in advance
<Linus-> i don't think ive ever heard anyone comment on whether gun laws are "settled law" or not
<gopp> days
<gopp> sure I have
<gopp> in that chat room
<gopp> #politics
<Lupine> Linus: sure it is. it is "settled law" that states and cities can ignore the 2nd amendment at will.
<jhicks> Mike Miers mom withdrew?!?
<Linus-> yes!
<YYZ> in California, lib groups are spending million$ on negative attack adds to defeat the Governators reform propositions
<jhicks> So there's not gonna be Wayne's World 2
<Linus-> garth is bummed
<jhicks> dammit
<Lupine> YYZ: as usual, the "NO" party
<YYZ> total ad hominum bash ads with nothing but emotive apeal going for them
<Linus-> he fantasized about getting under her robe
<bumer> Can someone remind me of some great examples of immigrants building America? :) eg. The chinese building America's railroad in the 1860's, immigrants sacrificing their lives in the front lines in Iraq ....
<jhicks> I feel cheated and dirty
<bumer> I can't think of something else
<jhicks> bumer: mexicans smuggling heroin
<Linus-> germans rebuilding chicago after the fire
<YYZ> "propsitions XX HURTS CHILDREN" and other BS spewed by lib unions on their attack ads
<bumer> Linus-, what fire ?
<jhicks> Lucky Luciano killing other gangsters
<Katey> Looks like Miers has withdrawn
<Linus-> they were low man on totem pole back then
<Linus-> the one in which the cow kicked over the oil lamp
<jhicks> That's been debunked
<Linus-> the great chicago fire
<Linus-> well, the origin story yes
<jhicks> the cow thing didn't really happen
<Linus-> but the fire happened!
<jhicks> yes
<bumer> Linus-, you mean "a" fire ?
<Linus-> n./m
<Linus-> THE fire
<jhicks> bumer: Scarface was my favorite immigrant btw
<Linus-> it was the turning point for germans being accepted by the more established immigrant groups
<jhicks> Linus-: no, their beermaking skillz led to acceptance
<jhicks> hehe
<Linus-> that was in milwaukke
<jhicks> yeah :)
<Linus-> laverne et al
<jhicks> hehehee
<bumer> Linus-; around what year did that happen? i'm gonna google on that fire
<Linus-> :)
<Linus-> i don't remember
<DeDannan> 1870s
<jhicks> schlemeel
<Linus-> 1906 is stuck in my head, but tat was sf quake
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