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<Katey> hehe
<Katey> Now that would be funny
<jhicks> I think he'd be great
<FreeTrade> Bush I am sure will not bring forth a far right candidate, but he will bring a solid conservative which I believe Meirs was.
<DeDannan> Katey, well..that would be one way of derailing an investigation :)
<OcDoc> wouldn't it be cool if he nominates a Libertarian?
<Exdeath> I'm rooting for Janise Rodgers Brown and Priscilla Owen.
<FreeTrade> The President wont go to the extreme right to please.
<compdoc> wow, white sox won the series
<Exdeath> I think he will
<FreeTrade> His problem was not with them, it was with the 100 member US Senate.
<jhicks> OcDoc: now THAT'S a fantasy i'd enjoy
<FreeTrade> No he wont.
<OcDoc> jhick: heh
<Exdeath> The extreme right never liked Miers either heh
<FreeTrade> He will go to a true blue conservative but not a hard core ideologue.
<FreeTrade> Its not his style.
<Exdeath> Well only liberals are saying Janise Rodgers Brown and Priscilla Owen are ideologues
<OcDoc> off to work ... laterz guyz and dollzzz
<FreeTrade> Cya Oc!
<Exdeath> They got 54 votes from Republicans on the Senate
<OcDoc> bye
<CometBaby> FreeTrade his problem regarding miers was with the far right .. religious right.
<FreeTrade> Mainstream Republicans and Democrats were going to make this a huge fight and one side wouldnt be fighting hard for the President.
<FreeTrade> Hey Comet!
<Nemes> Al Franken for president
<TheTailor> Exdeath, naa, if they knew they had 51 there wouldn't be a withdrawal.
<Lupine> FT: Maybe bush will keep with his pledge to nominate another Scalia or Thomas
<CometBaby> they were not looking for a constitutional candidate .. they wanted a biased one
<FreeTrade> Comet, It was the Senate. Had he been able to get her through he would of.
<CometBaby> morning FreeTrade :)
<FreeTrade> But the backbiting on the right was certainly influential.
<Lupine> Tailor: It depends, maybe Miers was a "setup" to get a more conservative canidate thru
<CometBaby> It was the far right that turned on miers
<FreeTrade> Comet, the US Senate turned on her.
<CometBaby> they wanted a judicial activist
<jhicks> CometBaby: I'd be happy with a constitutionalist house :)
<FreeTrade> Well they wont get what they want.
<FreeTrade> (the far right)
<jhicks> The house could fix a lotta stuff in a hurry
<CometBaby> jhicks me too .. thats what I wanted. A justice that would respect OUR constitutuion
<TheTailor> Lupine, could be, but I think Bush was looking for a rubber stamp in Miers, where Roberts votes, she follows.
<FreeTrade> They will get an established conservative (With a record) of the type of Meirs who can better elaborate thier positions and who also has more of a background.
<Today> I think it's a mistake to look only for a woman to replace oconner.
<jhicks> CometBaby: Shame is, the far right today views constitutionalists as liberals
<Today> gender should not be a qualification for the position
<Lupine> Today: nor religion, in fact, I think some senators were violating the constitution
<FreeTrade> Today, In general terms of course you are right. Politically it would help if it were a woman or a Hispanic particularly, maybe both.
<jhicks> Gonzales is too tied up with Abu Grahib stuff to make it
<FreeTrade> When you have a 100 potentially excellent choices, why not go with a hispanic woman or whatever ?
<FreeTrade> Gonzales would of been a slam dunk
<FreeTrade> But now Bush wont go from within his inner circle.
<DeDannan> how about a conservative black/hispanic woman in a wheelchair? all your bases are covered then :)
<FreeTrade> he will go to the outside bench and choose.
<TheTailor> hahaha
<jhicks> FreeTrade: and end up with a Souter?
<CometBaby> I agree Today, but he has to find someone that he can get past.
<Today> CometBaby, a good male could p*** the senate
<FreeTrade> Jhicks, Souter was not established as a strong conservative when nominated.
<CometBaby> he can nominate anyone he wants .. but he will be six foot under before that person gets p***ed
<jhicks> FreeTrade: yeah, guess not
<jhicks> So, you think he'll appoint Newt then? :)
<FreeTrade> Bush will pick a strong (Meaning not ideological, but a proven) conservative.
<TheTailor> I wonder if Newt wouldtake it.
<CometBaby> today .. the process has become so stringent, nobody wants to go for it. The left wants an activist, the far right won't settle for anything but an activist. How is anyone gonna get past?
<jhicks> too much baggage
<FreeTrade> Every sensible person wants a judicial conservative on the court.
<Katey> Newt would seem an odd choice, imo
<jhicks> Katey: yeah
<LSD_Wash> if newt got nominated I would not turn on my TV for a month... the whining and *****ing would be intollerable
<Katey> But then, Miers seemed odd to me too. So who knows
<TheTailor> Me too
<FreeTrade> The elitism and activism of the court is something americans have really come against by 70%
<TheTailor> I just saw Miers as a rubber stamp
<FreeTrade> Newt is not judicial material.
<Katey> Generally, you want someone who hasn't been so directly involved in partisan politics
<CometBaby> LSD .. lol
<Katey> I would think
<FreeTrade> What you want is a conservative.
<jhicks> FreeTrade: The Civil Rights era sorta required activism during that time didn't it?
<FreeTrade> But you have to understand the meaning of conservative first.
<FreeTrade> In the context of the court it means a non activist.
<jhicks> yes.
<FreeTrade> simple as that.
<FreeTrade> Someone well grounded in the constitution and in precedent and law.
<CometBaby> coservativism is not defined by "am a pro choice or pro life".
<FreeTrade> Conservatism means to be careful and thoughtful about how you apply the law and not do it to suit your own ideoloical purposes as has been happening on the court for a while now. An ideological conservative is a different usage of the term.
<jhicks> FreeTrade: expansion of federal power always worries me.
<jhicks> that's not conservatism
<FreeTrade> Jhicks, me too, hence a conservative.
<jhicks> The Reinquist court didn't seem too conservative to me
<jhicks> 4th Amendment got a few setbacks, etc
<FreeTrade> No, people really need to get heavily educated on what these terms mean. I think one problem with america today is people dont understand well enough the meaning of these words as they are tossed around.
<FreeTrade> A conservative is someone who is not activist.
<FreeTrade> A far right conservative is a more activist conservative.
<jhicks> FreeTrade: A lot of people don't mind when "their guy" gets expanded powers but they forget about future tyrants who may inherit
<FreeTrade> Which is kind of a contradiction but they believe they are conserving the christian values of this country.
<jhicks> I fear Hitlery with the Patriot Act
<FreeTrade> The fact is this country was once a very christian country, the intellectuals of the revolutionary movement were not strong christians, many were deists, universalists or agnostics.
<FreeTrade> Thats where the confusion comes in.
<CometBaby> the white house basement is gonna be filled with files
<FreeTrade> But I believe rightwing conservatives dont understand US History.
<jhicks> CometBaby: and flies :)
<FreeTrade> Someone on an appeals court with a 15 year record of judical restraint is not likely to turn.
<LSD_Wash> hicks: I agree with that strongly... the best example for either side is whether you would want Janet Reno to have the same lattitude and power as John Ashcroft (or vise versa depending on your left/right leanings)
<FreeTrade> Souter was a very bad pick.
<CometBaby> She will hire that hollywood detective that they used to har*** the bimbos .. can't remember his name .. to take care of the files.
<jhicks> LSD_Wash: exactly
<tweek> withdraws or withdrawn?
<FreeTrade> Well Reno was as ideological as Ashcroft, in my opinion Ashcroft was a bad choice (Not a bad man), and Bush got rid of him.
<jhicks> What really bugs me is how some people have seized the mantle of conservatism.
<jhicks> FreeTrade: he had been traumatized
<jhicks> His wife was viciously raped.
<FreeTrade> Well depends on whether you speak of actual conservatism or ideological conservatism. Conservatism strictly adhered to is absent ideology. (Russel Kurk)
<Katey> jhicks, who?
<CometBaby> bush's dad nominated souter ..
<jhicks> Katey: Ashcroft
<FreeTrade> or kirk ? Hmm
<FreeTrade> One of the two ;)
<jhicks> Katey: it explains a lot about him
<FreeTrade> Bush 41 was a lousy president
<Katey> jhicks, maybe
<CometBaby> FreeTrade he started out good
<CometBaby> then he let the left con him
<jhicks> Katey: I didn't like him at all but I think I understand where it came from
<Katey> jhicks, I think he's also got a background as a deeply religious, evangelical christian.
<FreeTrade> Comet his war with Iraq was a brilliant success and helped the US A lot in mending our broken spirit caused by vietnam.
<jhicks> Katey: more so after that event
<Katey> ah, ok
<FreeTrade> But THis president is a much better president than his dad.
<jhicks> FreeTrade: I think 41's inner circle was better in some ways
<CometBaby> FreeTrade bush sr blew it when he agreed to raise taxes. The left made a fool out of him.
<FreeTrade> Jhicks, I dont know, I cant think of anyone more intelligent than Condi Rice on world events.. But he did have an all star cast I agree.
<jhicks> FreeTrade: I'm more aligned with the "realists"
<FreeTrade> Condi well known in conservative circles for decades, will represent the definition of highly qualified for this generation.
<jhicks> She's better at Russia than anything else though.
<CometBaby> the leftist media cannot wait to attack condi. USA Today altered a photo of her yesterday .. made her look evil.
<jhicks> I prefer James Baker when it comes to the middle east
<CometBaby> photoshopped it .. and got busted.
<jhicks> haha, really?
<CometBaby> yeah
<jhicks> losers :)
<FreeTrade> Condi was a strong intellectual supporter and helped define the idea of a missile defense system.
<CometBaby> take a look .. www.drudgereport.com
<FreeTrade> During the Reagan years.
<CometBaby> he has the real photo and the photoshopped photo that USA Today used
<CometBaby> they had to apologize and fix it
<jhicks> bwahahaha
<jhicks> that's hilarious
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