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<Pickle> It's a shame that there is no H.L. Mencken today; the closest thing to it is Christopher Hitchens, and he's not really a good example himself.
<DStewart> To leak, it has to be cl***ified info.
<Timur> it actually doesn't even compare
<DStewart> It doesn't seem to have been cl***ified info.
<DarthBurg> Pickle hitchens owned galloway
<DarthBurg> in a debate
<Airbuster> stop that, nate
<DarthBurg> CSpun i think
<JanetB> DStewart... did you read the story that... valiarie's hubby had published a MONTH before the "story" by that reporter.. anyway.. her own HUSBAND mentions her name
<Disbelief> DStewart - well apparently there is pretty good indication that it has violated a specific law, making it a crime. we won't know for sure for a while, but it hink the chances are good that somebody's going to be indicted.
<DStewart> Also, what IS dirty about telling reporters who was behind the hiring of a consultant?
<JanetB> and entire MONTH before the news paper story
<Pickle> DarthBurg: That's in no small part because, as has now been documented, Galloway is a fraud.
<DStewart> Disbelief, apparently there is not such evidence.
<RustyFord> The complaint, filed by the FBI, alleges that David H. Safavian, 38, a White House procurement official involved until last week in Hurricane Katrina relief efforts, made repeated false statements to government officials and investigators about a golf trip with Abramoff to Scotland in 2002.
<Pickle> DarthBurg: Like the anti-war left in general.
<DarthBurg> Disbelief you do not know anything. its all media hysteria.
<DStewart> I think the odds are that no Bush admin official will be indicted.
<DStewart> Plame wasn't covert. Her identity wasn't cl***ified.
<DarthBurg> Joe Wilson will wind up getting idited, and the headlines will be "Bush Whistle Blower Jailed"
<DStewart> Ergo, it could not be "leaked."
<JanetB> first they were supposed to be indicted last frisay.. they yesterday.. then today
<JanetB> and still we wait
<DStewart> Darth, I think he's most likely. :)
<DarthBurg> fitzgerald has nothing, so he is letting the media milk the bush hatred.
<Disbelief> hysteria, huh? i guess it was the media who contacted the DoJ, appointed Fitzgerald, launched the probe into the white house AND made rove, libby, cheney, and miller lie. All the media's fault!
<DStewart> He is, after all, the first person to have told any journalist his wife was a covert op. (Which wasn't true.)
<DarthBurg> Disbelief largely
<Disbelief> AHAHAHAH
<Disbelief> okay buddy.
<TimothyW> JanetB : no. They said last Friday that this Friday is the day that Grand Jury can indict someone.
<Airbuster> anyone here live in California?
<DStewart> Disbelief, in point of fact, it WAS the media frenzy that led to the admin putting a special counsel on it.
<Disbelief> haha
<DStewart> And by the way, Rove, Libby, Cheney, and Miller don't seem to have lied.
<JanetB> TimothyW.. Friday is the last day...
<Disbelief> yeah, the media forced bush.
<Disbelief> poor guy.
<DarthBurg> Disbelief honestly, where did joe wilson popup on the radar? on the media. why? because he is anti-bush. Everyone and there dog knows Saddam had dealings with Niger. Joe Wilson is the fraud.
<JanetB> this grand jury is dismissed Friday
<TimothyW> yes
<Pickle> tweek: I watch O'Reilly nightly, by the way. It's important to see what issues he's trying to cause a witch hunt about today, so that I know if it's time to retreat to the compound or not.
<DStewart> Disbelief, "okay buddy" and "haha" and sundry sarcastic snarks really don't count as argument or evidence.
<JanetB> but they media has been expecting indictments all last week
<DarthBurg> after all, the leaking of a cia covert op would be a big deal, would it not?
<Airbuster> nate is beginning to annoy me
<Lupine> HHAHAHHAHHA.. the local cops are *****ing that local companies are distributing free water... ****ers
<DStewart> People point out contrary evidence to the claims you make, and you snort "okay buddy" or "haha" or repeat another ungrounded accusation. God, you're ****ty at carrying your points.
<Disbelief> DStewart - were you following what darthburg and i were saying?
<DStewart> Yep.
<Swigert> Hi
<Disbelief> DStewart - i don't think you were, because DarthBurg said the media was largely responsible for Fitzgerald's probe.
<Airbuster> what a surprise, nate's back
<Disbelief> which is obviously not true.
<DStewart> That's how I can make these observations of how you're trying to carry an argument based on accusations and a lack of facts and logic.
<hans_kung> Disbelief-- I asked the same question earlier today, was this all really the fault of lefty media types and democrats, I was told "yes." You can't argue with that logic. It's like proving your flavor of ice cream is better than another on.
<DarthBurg> Disbelief i pointed out the fact no body knows who did what, yet you (and the Left leaning media) have all ready convicted Libby, Rove, Cheney, and Bush.
<hans_kung> er another one.
<Lupine> Darth: I still wish to know why they are ignoring the possibility that it was Wilson ( or dean, or the like )
<Disbelief> hans_kung - i know. you just have to laugh at it, because that signifies the end point of all logical debate.
<Lupine> Sure as *HELL* was a brilliant move for Dean
<DarthBurg> Lupine does not give them any ammo against Bush
<Lupine> Darth: yep
<DStewart> Disbelief, you've not engaged in any logical debate at all.
<DarthBurg> Bush can;t get no love, nothing the man does is right. I suspect the media is blinded by hate
<Lupine> those who concluded immediately "it had to be someone in the bush administration" are morons of the highest order
<hans_kung> Darthburg--few weeks ago, people in the channel were saying there weren't going to be indictments on DeLay. Now the line is "well he's still innocent till proven guilty." If he's convicted, I'll bet you'll argue the judge had it in for him.
<Pickle> Does anyone know what year Limbaugh's tv show went off the air?
<Airbuster> doesn't anyone here live in Cali?
<hans_kung> Early 90s I think Pickle
<hans_kung> It ran on CBS late night.
<Disbelief> has_kung - the Frustrated Unsatisifed Conservative Kleptocracy Syndrome is widening, i think.
<Airbuster> I think it was the late 90s
<Lupine> hans: eh? wow, nice revisionist.. what people were saying was "you can indict a ham sandwhich".. expecting Earle to indict him.
<DStewart> hans, I'll bet you no one in this channel was saying that Delay wasn't going to be indicted.
<Airbuster> Limbaugh's show was on for awhile but they kept putting it on later and later
<hans_kung> Naw Lupine, but you know what I meant.
<DStewart> Also, I've yet to see anyone say "he's still innocent until proven guilty."
<Disbelief> DStewart - no one, huh?
<Lupine> hans: No, I do not "know" what you "meant". I can only go by what you are able to communicate.
<Airbuster> and they didn't cancel Rush, he left on his own because they put him on too late, I beleive
<hans_kung> People see their sins through rose colored gl***es. I know double standards when I see em ;)
<DStewart> Disbelief, yeah. No one. Want to make it a matter of numbers? Fewer than three.
<Lupine> air: well, that IS effectively canceling him.. but i never listeend to him anyways [ hate talk radio ]
<DarthBurg> hans_kung depends, if he is guilty of breaking a law, run him up. but you have to factor in Earl hit four grand juries before he got his paper, AND the minor fact that only republicans have the rule you have to step down if indited. that is a factor as well. Tom DeLay is guilty of being effective, therefore, since the Donks can't beat him at the ballot box, they fall back to the courts, just like they always do.
<DStewart> But I'd bet no one.
<DarthBurg> if delay is guilty, hang em, but i suspect he is the victim in a witch hunt
<DStewart> Dinner is served.
<Lupine> or selective enforcement
<Airbuster> I thought Rush's show was fairly good
<RustyFord> Rush's show was done in 1996
<DarthBurg> its basically making republicans politics illegal.
<Lupine> air: as a general habbit, I hate anykind of talk..even hate commercials
<Airbuster> Rush had his show before Clinton was elected
<JanetB> DarthBurg.. 7 grand juries :D
<DarthBurg> 7?
<DarthBurg> i thought it was 4
<RustyFord> Limbaugh's second attempt at television was a syndicated half-hour show running from 1992 through 1996, with Roger Ailes as executive producer.
<Lupine> 4 in the last round
<Cathy_> Who's trying to make Republican politics illegal?
<DarthBurg> Democrats.
<Disbelief> Why don't you guys save yourselves the trouble of defending these ***holes, and demand that bush ask for their resignations...clearly rove and libby's troubles have been a drag on this administration's agenda. Bush's swingin in the wind. hell, he's even got the christian-fundie set irate at him. i mean, c'mon you guys should know when to cut your losses. why let the whole thing go under just to protect Rove and Libby ?
<DarthBurg> who else
<JanetB> nope ended up being 7
<Cathy_> Oh, well, duh!
<Airbuster> Rusty, that's a fairly good run
<Lupine> Dis: yea, it is rove and libby controlling the media frenzy *rolls eyes*
<DarthBurg> Disbelief we do not ask for the resignations of good people simply because it will make YOU feel better
<Cathy344> I wish I could still get the G. gordon Liddy radio show in my area.
<DarthBurg> at this juncture, there are no losses to cut
<Oax> Disbelief shh dude let em go down together
<Disbelief> i'm not asking you to do it. i think it will make YOU feel better.
<Lupine> Dis: why were you not argueing that Clinton should step down, when the media was harping on him? was your cojones tickling your prostate then?
<RustyFord> YEh! Civ4 will be here in 40 minutes
<Cathy344> I've so outgrown Rush. I couldn't care less if they put him under a prison.
<Disbelief> Oax - okie doke. ahha. hey, if its what they want. Hubris is a *****.
<hans_kung> oh my...prostate tickling before din din
<hans_kung> :X
<Lupine> Dis: so, just because the media was "talking bad" about lcinton, he should have stepped down?
<Lupine> is that the arguement about libby/rove?
<DeDannan> Roger Ailes..hmmm..why is that name familiar? :)
<RustyFord> hehe remember the media talked bad about Newt and he stepped down
<RustyFord> =P
<RustyFord> media made a big deal out of trent lott
<hans_kung> Ha, Newt did himself in.
<RustyFord> he stepped down
<Lupine> great, our entire US system of justice is "if hte media is ragging you.. you are guilty, step down"
<Cathy344> I don't see where anyone in this administration, out in the wild, has committed any crimes, now, in front of Congress...
<DarthBurg> trent Lott
<Disbelief> Lupine - well the media was talkinga bout clinton ejaculating on Monica Lewinsky's dress, an offense i don't think worthy of a president resigning. I'm not asking bush himself to resign, i'm saying he should do himself a favor and unchain himself from Rove and Libby, while he's got the chance.
<RustyFord> i think its time to tell the media to go **** themselves
<Lupine> dis: eh? the real criminal offense for clinton was lying under oath
<hans_kung> Yah, if Bush said someone leaked the info, he'd fire them. What's the big deal?
<Lupine> dis: but hey.. spin spin spin
<Airbuster> anyone know if California's governor is term-limited?
<Disbelief> lupine - clinton was never charged with any criminal offense.
<RustyFord> i don't think he is
<RustyFord> not positive though Air
<Cathy344> Slick Willy wasn't impeached for spluging Monica's blue derss. He was impeached for lying about spluging Monica's blue dress. Subtle difference.
<Airbuster> I know Cali's legislature is
<Disbelief> lupine - i'm just asking bush to do what he said he'd do all along.
<Lupine> dis: uh, yes he was. both by the house, as well as the Ak court system. he was disbarred, remember?
<RustyFord> probably should be
<RustyFord> heh
<JanetB> ask 100 dems what clinton was convicted of, and they will say having ***, ask 100 republicans and you will get the truth, lying under oath
<hans_kung> Cathy: Kay Hutchinson said that wasn't a reason to convict any wrong doing with Rove or Libby.
<Lupine> Dis: frankly, I have not seen any evidence that Rove/Libby is who told the amerian public who she was
<Timur> bbiab
<hans_kung> But she did in terms of Clinton. FLIP FLOP.
<hans_kung> :)
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